Islam: What the West Needs to Know
This documentary sets out to investigate the notion that Islam is a religion of peace and explore the widely circulated idea that those who commit violent acts in the name of Islam are a fanatic few. The filmmakers try to hold Islam's own sources to the light to make the controversial claim that the religion is actually driven by a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks to conquer any contradictory religion, culture, and, ultimately, government.
This film is by far the most interesting presentation of Islam that I have yet to see. I recommend viewers be fully awake before attempting to watch it, as some amount of concentration is required to reap the full benefits of this documentary.
Packed with direct quotes from the Koran and other reliable sources, along with compelling visuals and tasteful interviews, it will challenge even the experts. Is violence built into the Muslim ideology?
I found this very informative. I knew nothing about Islam and will investigate the views that were presented. If what has been said is true; then this documentary should be seen by everyone.
hello mark how r u? if u got some time.. kindly send me ur email for a little straight to the point short chat.. take good care bro
I am a well educated woman, not a follower of any Abrahamic religion. And I have studied all these three religions for years. After listening to the whole documentary very carefully, I have one conclusion to share with you:
Every era, every historical time, has its shrinked minds who spread nonsens and untruth in the name of objective facts and Truth. They know how to put every single word, every event, every proposition out of its theological, linguistique, cultural, political and geografical context and reduce everything to one single factor, which in this case they call it "Islam".
You have this kind of people througout history, everywhere, in all cultures and in all religions. Be aware of the false claims and halfs truths they try to spread. Be critical of what they call their sources. Because I asure you what you hear here is for a very great deal only twisted facts and twisted truth.
These "commentators" are driven by a blind hate. Some of them should go and take a very good look at their own history and the history of their own faiths.
islam is no better or worse then any of the abrahamic religions sorry to say. its oppressive towards women, its totalitarian and it has a vision of global supremacy. Anyone who thinks that jews or christians dont have blood on their hands or in their holy books dont know their god from their a--holes and sure as hell do not know the history of their faith...i hate how this documetary trys to state all these "evils" of islam without mentioning that the other two abrahamic religions are just as bad and in a lot of ways worse lol.
how anybody can expect, respect for Muhammad from such people who don't care about their own prophet
Is it really that hard to just stop fighting?
Are any of these goofy stories really worth dying for?
Is it really worth someones life and possible soul to be fighting over who's got the better main character?
Are we really so stupid that we kill each other by the millions over books?
Does the average individual really give a damn about what someone else around him believes?
Um...wake up.
If you want the fighting to stop, then stop fighting.
How you go about this is your own business.
We are not seperate groups, we are one very big group stuck with a few different personalities but we're also stuck on this rock together.
"Us vs Them" and Violence are primitive and barbaric ways of thinking and acting, they divide us and create strife because if no ones getting along then we're all suffering from our own short-comings.
Its 2011, if every person on the planet woke up tomorrow and realized that none we fight about is really worth fighting about and we should work together, there would be nothing we couldn't accomplish, we would become the kings of this age. We as a species have the capacity for so much good if we could only stop focusing on the petty and insignificant differences between us.
Stop thinking in terms that separate us.
The concept of different races of human is only an illusion, its a title, not a state of being. It doesn't matter if you call yourself Japanese, American, German, Polish, English, Welsh or Arabic, you're all Human Beings and are equally entitled to rights and freedom and everyone could have that if we could just work together.
“Live Simply That Others May Simply Live” – Mahatma Gandhi
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I have just finished to watch the documenary and I am shocked.
There is a part of me who still doesn't want to believe that it could be true that a jihad against infidels is on. We prefer to call it terrorism but what they say about the Quran and the hadith, and the concepts of El Taquia, houbna and jakilia simply make me feel thinking. Honestly, I think what they say in the documentary is true but before reaching a final conclusion, I will read the Quran and collect information.
Another poor soul looking for a way to get taught in the school of hard heads. I will stop and because you and your lost friends will never understand. So Vlatko I have a proper education and a job. I have an education from two countries and i'm sad to say the one they provide in america dose not suffice. So re-educate yourself my friend. Till next time Peace be upon your poor souls
Here are some verses in the Quran and Hadith about Equal rights
"And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."
(An-Nahl 16:58-59)
The rights of Muslim women were given to us by Allah (SWT), who is All-Compassionate, All-Merciful, All-Just, All-Unbiased, All-Knowing and Most Wise. These rights, which were granted to women more than 1400 years ago, and were taught by the perfect example of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), were given by the one Who created us and Who alone knows what rights are best for our female natures. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:
"O You who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at time of marriage) you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings
through it a great deal of good." (An-Nisa 4:19)
Islam considers a woman to be equal to a man as a human being and as his partner in this life. Women have been created with a soul of the same nature as man’s. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:
"O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever and All-Watcher over you." (Al-Nisa 4:1)
And in the words of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW),
"Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men." (Sahih reported by Abu-Dawud (RA)
Islam does not blame Eve alone for the First Sin. The Quran makes it very clear that both Adam and Eve were tempted, that they both sinned and were both forgiven after their repentance. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:
"Then Satan whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals." And he (Satan) swore by Allah to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well-wishers for you both." So he mislead them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Satan is an open enemy unto you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers." (Allah) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other (i.e. Adam, Eve, and Satan, etc.). On earth will be a dwelling-place for you and an enjoyment, - for a time." He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e. resurrected)."(Al-A’raf 7:20-25)
in first Timothy 2:14 the bibles states that it was Eve who's to blame for being deceived not Adam. You see Islam is a way of life that has evidence. If you read you will find
Poor brother antagonist is just lost. His education is just limited, he's just studying from the school of FOX and CNN. Antagonist You never read the Qu'ran nor the hadith so you will never understand our Prophet(and i do mean your and my Prophet) Because he's your prophet to. You may not believe in Muhammad but he's much your's as he is mine. What about the prophet Lot who got both his daughters pregnant. antagonist did you know that women have no equal rights in the bible, here are some leads if you still don't believe
New Testament:
1 Timothy 2:11-14 - "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
1 Corinthians 14:34 - "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
1 Corinthians 11: 3 - Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
There are many other verses in the bible that tells man they have a higher authority over woman, Yet there are many verses in the Quran that saids otherwise. So go out get the Quran and have some time out with your lord.
@sin nombre,
Aren't you tired of that yet? Proving that Quran is not promoting higher authority over women and Bible does. Are you for real?
I do have one advice for you: Quit the rants and get a proper education... and a job.
Read the English translation of the Quran and tell me you still believe this phony Zionist propaganda
@sin nombre you have converted to islam from being a catholic right, did it not strike you as odd that the prophet mohammad likes to f*ck little kids, how can he be from god he can only be from satan or just a warlord making up the rules to suit himself, you have been told a lot of lies friend you have to save yourself from they devils. maybe u just like them cos u hate the whites, i guess i might if i was black or whatever and join the stronger enemy of them. Join back to the good side lad.
There is no hate towards jew in the Qu'ran. If you can find me a verse in the qu'ran (not in from the internet) but from the book itself. Then you are right. But till then akhi (brother) peace b upon you
@Sin nombre I have felt sympathy for palestine before I learned that Islam preach hate about the Jews in the Koran and even if palestine belonged to the Jews you would still hate them. I actually like the 3rd reich but I know when to let go of something when it is just stupid. The Jews might be intolerable people but Islam wants to conquer the world and has no tolerance for anyone, this may be bourne out of anger but everything in the Koran seems to be angry anyway. You should have stayed catholic, I don't believe the bible but jesus was crucified, I'm going to look into gnostic christianity because apparently jesus may have went to another dimension, they believe there is a world here on earth which we cant see but thats all I know. The roman catholics killed them all but their writings were found not so long ago, I may read them. Peace be Upon you.
Because it's not? they take land that were the palestinians and kill people for the sake of nothing. England and the united states gave them some of the land. But human greed let them take more and more. Every one sees this happening and are seeing that Israel should not be there. Look brother i was once a kuffar and was on the side of the kuffar, born a roman catholic and left it once i became a communist back in my fathers land of Colombia. but now i see that for every little thing has it's purpose including the "OCCUPATION". Just like how the europeans took over and coloniZed the north, central and south america. It's funny how the jews that ran away from the "OCCUPATION" are doing the same tactics that were done to them on the palestinians. From what i am reading you have a one point of view in knowledge. Like again as i said before, i feel pity for you Peace be upon you (If you know what that means).
@sin nombre I don't even need to reply to that lol you might believe what you just said but come on you might as well just say that the moslems have already colonised mars. Brainwashed isnt the word, I can think of a few insults for you but I'll let you be, I'm only a kuffar in the company of other moslems, at other times I'm your fake friend. So tell me one thing why do all arab countries not allow Israel to be a country?
i feel bad for those like you Antagonist, do yourself a favor and read a book. I think that you are brain washed by the christian and west propaganda on us muslims. No one here said any thing about Israel (no One) but you. our past is a past of rich education, we had scholars from all parts of the known world teaching each other every thing, and they were not only Muslims. from math, science, physiology, calligraphy, astrology just to name a few and we gave that to the poor white europeans. Who in that time were living is squalor and dying from diseases, We were asked to come and help them by the christians and the jews to fight off a barbaric tribe that would have wiped out all of the known christian and jewish world in europa. Muslims (not Moslem another propaganda word that has been brain washed to poor lost souls like yourself) did not force themselves into europa like the jewish have in palestine or the zionists because true jews know that they do not have a holy land this was written in the books of moses . Killing more and more Muslims daily and have no right to live in occupied lands, i have no hate just pity over those who don't understand. It' is not in my way of living to hate other that are not Muslims or have a different point of view. It's sad you would say such things to someone who you never met nor ever hung out with. In the word of every jew and muslim "Peace be upon you"
@Sin nombre is that you admitting to terrorist activities lol, well the west has moved on from they days but it wasnt all one sided. it sounds to me you have been fed a lot of propaganda by the Moslem religion, there is an agenda which is very simple in islam and that is to try and make the whole world Islamic, they are well entrenched within our society so why not use this opportunity to fulful the wishes of the prophet. Radical Islam has almost zero to do with Israel and the United States, this is merely an excuse used by moslems to get the sympaphy vote and to make people from the west take pity and not realise that you are not angry because of what the west has done at any point in the past but you are angry because your religion teaches it and demands it. Tell me what are the sins of the west when you consider that Palestine was at one time Christian but the turkish moslems took it from us in the past, they were our enemies in the first world war and we took it back. Just so happened the jews had nowhere to stay and have as much right as christians, jews or moslems to be there so why cant the moslem world accept it and concede palestine to the jews. It's because you are taught anti-semitism as part of the Koran. All this bile you spit out is within you. The jews donts deserve to be treated this way. You have loads of land so be happy with it. If you are greedy and hateful it was sowe your own destruction. Cant wait until that day when Islam will be confined too the past. I include christianity in there, they are all lies. Jesus was resurrected though so thats Islam wrong straight away. Watch the real face of jesus when science meets religion. Do yourself and all the moslems you know and stop follwing an evil false religion. I feel sorry for you man.
@ antAgonist, i'm sorry that people like you forgot that christianity came to the so called new world killing, stealing, raping and wiping out whole nations language, faith, culture in the name of jesus. If we during the times of the crusade and the conquistador had CNN, MSNBC or Fox we would have called (well i think everyone would have called) the christians terrorists. Look at how many countries in the past have been effected by the christian onslaught of their "HOLY CRUSADE". Muslims are attacking because of many years of persecution, but if you had any common sense, you would tell yourself. "How can any one sneak bombs, or in that case make bombs without being caught by the government". Nothing can't pass the technology we have today only unless they have an agenda to accomplish, meaning the government and their schemes they plot
@sin nombre more muslim lies, you people think we are stupid that is your problem, im guessing you havnt seen the evidence from undercover mosque. Your propaganda is null and void you parasite.
This documentary was one of the worst films i've ever seen in all times, these men are taking the word of OUR lord and making it as if the lord of the Qu'ran did not order prophets in the bible to go out and kill those that did not follow the same as Lord of the bible and the torah. The problem with people is they stopped reading when they finish school and read nonsense like the news paper and watch television. We as a whole have to stop letting the media, and these so called scholars who are not Muslims define what the Qu'ran says. It's like having a person who don't believe in any religion, faith, or way of life explain to us what Our lord have to tell us in our books. It is as though we wish to start world war III through ignorance like they did with the other first two wars.
@Hhumanist, I share your take on this documentary. What about the Bible? Does it also contain passages condoning violence? I have never read it, because I find it insufferable, but the matter is worth investigating.
From a personal point of view, the Christian crusades are over. It is 2011 and Islam still insists on Jihad.
@dean watch undercover mosque before you come out with garbage statements like that, open your eyes no one cares about your stupid ideas
It's an interesting video but ultimately it fails because it lacks balance (an alternative point of view in defense of the Koran) and does little to place the selected verses in context. I ended up learning quite allot but from one point of view, which is never healthy.
If I want to know about the Koran (which I do on a purely academic level and as I have many Muslim friends) I will consult many sources as one should with EVERY topic.
BTW, I'm an atheist, a fierce critic of religion (I like Hitchens and Dawkins) and someone who does not try to win the approval of my religious friends (I only choose moderates as friends regardless of ideology held) therefore, I'm not making an apology for the Koran or any other 'sacred' text, I just require high standards when it comes to journalism. On this basis, the film fails.
Your comments please...
you all people keep arguing who's right or wrong
why???
it is because religions...!!
it is very simple to see the proof that all religions are wrong because they divide people and they try to kill each other, even a 7 year old kid know that this is wrong.
ALL religions are garbage, think for yourself, and not by some god. Bravo to Jade for winning every single argument.
@gustavo....would you like you buy some swamp land in florida?
Dear Everybody,
When did Mohammed resurrected? For as long and detailed as the Quran is I did not see the chapter where Mohammed came back to live and preached anywhere. Sorry.
JESUS was the only one that resurrected and is the only way to eternal life. Goodnight.
Though I am not a theist, I feel that neither religions nor faith-based epistemologies in general serve as the basis of the real problem. The real problem is MEN.
Isn't it amazing that ALL terrorists and Islamic apologists 'misunderstand' Islam in EXACTLY the same way as these people? 15,000 Islamic terror attacks since 911, almost all use Islamic texts and teachings to justify their actions.
This has to be the most AMAZING coincedence ever. Don't they know that Islam is a Religion of Peace? Haven't they read the memo?
Nothing by pure garbage.
The whole documentary can be readily refuted and rejected, and the deceit in it can be easily exposed, only by doing a couple of hours of research on internet about every point that was brought up against Islam.
It is a shame that religious fundamentalism is seen as more of a virtue then being fundamentally sensible.
EJ,
Sorry for the late reply, ive been busy reading up on the Muslims women getting sentenced to death for no reason whatsoever.
Listen, did Mohammad marry a 6 year old and then have sex with her when she was 9. If so then he is a pedophile. Did he behead 800 jews, if so he is a war lord, serial killer.
Your religion was founded on blood. The only good Muslim is one who has a relaxed, weak intepretation of the Koran.
I saw a pitcure today from a big Mosque here in Australia. Celebrating your Eid ul adha (funny you must slaughter animals to express any joy) Anyway, all the men were packed in and around the Mosque while the women packed into side allies with the rubbish bins. Even your women are to scared or stupid to realise you treat them as slaves.
This is an excellent and very interesting documentary. Definitely worth watching. At first I though't it would be a documentary done by westerners who are attacking Islam. However this documentary is told by former muslim fundamentalists who tell first hand how they were indoctrinated from small. Very good film. Also recommend another film called "Islam Rising, A Call to One World".
btw. I am a male. I am a political science graduate. I have read the Quran in its entirety more than once, I have spent 12 years living in a predominantly Islamic part of Bosnia and have a keen interest in islamic history. If anything, the documentary could have been more critical had there not been time constraints.
EJ, you're missing the point. Christianity may be the worst evil the world has ever seen, but any atrocities committed by Christians DO NOT EXCUSE the DOCTRINES of the Quran. Which is the topic of this discussion. Muslims almost always (when out of arguments) resort to slandering Christianity as if this is supposed to somehow have bearing on violence in the name of Islam. Stick to the argument, Islam, not Christianity.
Besides, most of the horrific crimes and human rights abuses we see in the Islamic world are directly commanded by the Quran. Crimes committed by Christians are done so despite the teaching of Jesus. This is why cartoons of Jesus and books critical of Christianity do not result in fatwas against authors and the burning of embassies. This is why there has been 15,000 Jihad attacks since 9/11 and why Muslims need to be constantly appeased so as not to hurt their feelings. Well I got news for you, western civilisation is built on freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality of men and women, the seperation of church and state, equality of all people and basic rights afforded to all, regarless of what they believe. Islam seeks to murder apostates, critics, unbeleivers are taxed, women can be beaten as per the commands of the Quran, men can marry 4 women, criticism is outlawed, religious intolerance is mandated etc. etc. etc.
This is incopatible with western notions of human rights and a society that seeks to disable tyranny.
This isn't just different to the Islamic socio-political world view, it's better. And if muslims wish to live in western countries where such virtues are enjoyed, then they'd better get used to it. That means cartoons of muhhamed or whoever else we see fit to draw, that means pork in your kids school despite your objections, that means no Sharia courts or any legal system parralel to the prevelant one, that means respect and tolerence for all religions or lack thereof.
But that's not what we see either, we see more muslim advocacy groups fighting 'islamophobia' rather than concentrating their efforts on fighting the supremacist ideology which leads to terror, subjegation and a backward, barbaric system of governence.
EJ,
The context of all of the controversial verses that call for subjegation of the unbelevers, that cann unbeleivers the worst of creatures, deem women half as worthy as men, deem Christians and Jews unfit for friendship with Muslims and the loist goes on is there for everyone to see. The entire Quran is further elaborated by the Sira and Hadith, all interpreted by Islam's greatest scholars. All agree that the verses mean exactly what they say.
Whitewashing it and pretending like it's taken out of context is either an example of taqqiya or ignorance. All it would take is one Islamic scholar to debate Spencer and humiliate him, but all have declined so far. Because he reports it like it is, the clerics, the imams, the grand ayotolah among hundreds of thousands of devout Muslims agree that Islam is here to dominate. That it seeks to subjegate unbeleivers, women until all religion is for Allah. Denying this may work with the layman who assumes that religion is a personal matter and buys the religion of peace rhetoric. Islam is anything but, it is a supremacist political system and it's doctrines are there for all to see.
Past or present an atrocity is an atrocity... And you seem to be missing my point. All those things that you see on TV, are they the same things you see in our Holy books/what our Holy prophet said we should do? My point is very simple, don't judge Islam based on people's practice be they good or bad. Do your own fact finding, it'll probably give you a better understanding. True that adultery is punishable by death, but does a woman commit adultery on her own? No, so why is she the only party sentenced to death? Well mate, this is a question that puzzles me as much as it puzzles you but one thing I can say for certain is that if she is the only person being punished then it is UNISLAMIC.
When you say no other religion does what fundamentalist Muslims do it makes me question where you were when all this hype about priest taking advantage of children, was occurring? Or when the Israelis are constantly oppressing the Palestinians and mind you this has been on for almost 50yrs now.
Sure, I don't disagree that every religion has a dirty history, nor are they perfect today (im not a religious chap). But today, and I am only referring to the present, Islam is truely the source of some atrocious stuff. I notice you refer to how the the Koran is the exact same to thousands of years ago. I think that sums up the entire predictament. You have a whole bunch of extreme, fundamentalist, strict - whatever - Muslims who want to implement a thousand year old religious system. It is this incompatibility to the 21st century that is the root of many of the issues. Personally i think we should give you guys what you want - in a sense. Muslims want a Islamic super state. I would love to kick all the trouble making Muslims out of Australia and send them back to Lebanon or Iraq or Afghanistan etc and they can live in thier 7th century fantasy world. But my friend, in the 21st century we respect human rights - we dont stone women to death or exucute them as pregame entertainment at a soccor match..No other religions are doing what fundamentalist Muslims are doing....
@ Nick R
If that is the case, then how should one see Christianity based on what the christian Serbs did to Muslims in Bosnia? Violent right? How should one consider Christianity based on the crusade? Violent? Intolerant? How should one consider Christianity based on some of the atrocious acts missionaries perpetrated against indigenous tribes in Africa, Australia and the other places? Oppressive? I wouldn't be surprised if you are unaware of some of these things because of the kind of media today. That's why I'm going to say to you what I said to Jade "I urge you to read extensively and make conclusions based on your own findings and not the findings of others."
I don not base my judgment based on what I see individuals do or say (which seems to be the case with you , if I read your comments right). People are inconsistent in their belief and practices therefore will always find a way to justify their actions (e.g extremists). But religion (particularly Islam) is absolutely consistent with what is revealed in the Quran. What was revealed in it a thousand yrs ago is still what you will find in it today. On the other hand peoples' practice and interpretations of the religion are subject to change but that in no way alters what was originally said by the Quran. that's the reason why I urged jade to read for herself and now I also urge u to read for yourself and see if your life experiences on Islam are in any way related to what the Quran teaches.
@ EJ
What made this documentary so disturbing for me is that so many of the points made so much sense of what we see each and every day around the world. If you consider this film by itself then sure you might say it is biased. But unless you have been living with your head up your arse for the past decade we see these things all over the place. Look at England, France, Netherlands, anywhere you like really. Are you even considering personal experience. Maybe Jade's comments are based on alot more than this single documentary. Islam is not peaceful religion, it shows no tolerance towards other religions - i was in Indonesia christmas eve 2000 when 29 bombs across 13 cities targeted Christian churches. And any good muslim i know is very relaxed about their relgion. After 12 years in Indoneisa - largest Muslim population in the world - and i do not know a single decent strict Muslim. They all root goats. Islam doesnt have a leg to stand on mate. You dont need this or any other documentary to know that - just look out at the world any thats all you need.
@ JADE
You seem to be someone who takes very keen notice to detail, and as a result u were right when u said the verses are followed to the tee. I therefore urge u to take a look for yourself at these verses (from the Quran it self), read the verses before and after them (if possible read the whole chapter) and see if the verses have a different meaning from what they mean when u hear it from a hate spewing documentary of this nature. The world today is full of biased and crippling info. It would be suicidal to allow yourself to be convinced by a single source or point of view. I urge you to read extensively and make conclusions based on your own findings and not the findings of others.
Thanks.
There is a difference though, because the Koran's hundreds of passages are followed to a tee by it's proponents and are said to be eternal, binding and unchangable.
We will not see a reformation of Islam until all these passages are thrown out. But then it will not be Islam. To follow the example of the prophet as described by Allah is to be a sexual deviant, a tyrrant, a murderer, a supremacist, a pedophile and the lost of catchy names goes on.
Why can't muslim apologists stick to the topic? The topic is supremacist, violent and intolerant passages in the Koran. The topic is NOT Christianity, Judaism or other religions.
Defending Islam by pointing out that Christianity also killed people hardly qualifies as a defense.
Christianity may be the worst evil to ever surface in the history of the world, but that's not the topic.
Essalamualeykum-which means peace be with you, people look around you...time has come that we forget how we practice our faith, the important thing is to try to keep our faith which is in danger! People forgot how to love each other, how to respect. Be tolerant! Enough Blood!!! Just care to translate the arabic words we muslims use, and you people of faith will understand it's the words you use! People see what they want to see, its easier to blame religion than to blame politicians and people wanting money. Peace be with you!
Hass,
You make a very correct point that no religion has a clean slate - which is why i am not fond of any of them. But to make your point you went back in history again. Your right; every relgion has a filthy past of violence and destruction. But i am talking about now, today,and more worrying - tomorrow. Everywhere i turn these days is a story if Islam and an example of how so so many are not interested in getting along with us non-Muslims.
I am interested in your statement that you are a proud Muslim and a proud yank (im Aussie) I think that is great, but this documentary claims that to be a such a Muslim you a not very strict and follow a loose interetation of the Koran.
I got no problem with Islam as long as in Australia they respect our culture and do not even think of asking us for Sharia law - which they have already done...but it wont happen.
Cheers
Nick-I somehow beleive you when u say that ur not anti muslim eventhough i am still offended when u say ur anti islam( sorry its my beloved religion man!). i guess its like if u were christan( and a proud one) and i say to u i am anti christianity. guess u wont like either ..lol.any way lets get to the point. u state that i am half a century late . ok let's really go back to the PAST!!. i am gana take u back to the christian crusades when the crusaders killed many innocent people ( muslims usually)and it was condoned by the church as a way to go to heaven( sound familiar??) or maybe u prefer to go back to the days when the church was killing astronomers and philosophers for saying the earth was not the centre of the universe. i guess according to ur logic that entitles me to be anti-christan but i am not. i am smarter than that!!. the fact is this nick. every religion has had a violent past all of the them( i am refering to the big 3) has had people within that religion that distorts that faith either out of ignorance or selfbenefit. islam happen to be the last of these religions coming thousands of years after judaism and christianity. maybe it is maturing at its own pace! or maybe not. maybe its just armagadon playing before our own eyes. in which case i happen to think all faiths will just be spectators and watch it playout if it is meant to be ( after all ,all 3 faiths beleive in armagadon one way or the other) lets hope for the best and be smart nick. i am a muslim american and i am as patriotic as anyone. i love this country. but it doensnt mean i have to give up one iota of my pride for my faith our my love for my beloved fellow muslims. peace
Great point Jade.
Hass - I recognise your point, but when you look at the security environment TODAY, not 50-60 years ago, Islam is the core of the vast majority of concerns. If you want to look at the past i will make that point that communist expansion started most those wars. We crushed that ideology and we will hopefully do the same to the radical elements within Islam. Believe it or not i am not anti Muslim - but i am anti-Islam
This documentary is very well referenced, how can you arguw that it isn't.
You make a good point - shame its half a century past its due date.
Nick R
Al of their contentions are clearly referenced and available to anyone who has even a passing interest.
The state of Islam is a direct reflection of the teachings of this religion. It stifles development, it abuses women and subjegates non believers. There is no freedom to question authority and apostates are legally murdered. Also criticism of the political system they call Islam is outlawed. What we are left with is muslims lamenting for the days of 700 years ago when Islam was arguably the most advanced of the civilisations.
A society is never trully free until it is allowed to question authority, on the reverse you get tyranny. Which is exactly what we find in states where elements of Sharia are implemented.
The documentary is based on the Koran and the Hadith which clearly call fpr violence and subjegation through hundreds and hundreds of passages. How come so many terror groups and clerics misunderstand the RELIGION OF PEACE in EXACTLY the same way as the scholars in this video? Isn't that a coincedence of coincedences? Or perhaps are we being tricked by western muslioms ashamed of their scriptures and realising that our western notion of human rights and dignities are incompatible with Islamic law and teaching?
I'll take the latter.
WHAT A PIECE OF GARBAGE. THE BEST PART IS WHEN IT IS STATED THAT IF MUSLIMS WERE OUT OF THIS WORLD, THEN THE WORLD WOULD BE A VERY PEACEFUL PLACE. I REALLY LAUGHED OUTLOUD. WHAT HAPPEN TO THE FIRST WORLD WAR, THE SECOND WORLD WORLD , COREAN WAR, VIETNAN , CIVIL WARS IN LATIN AMERICA AND EVEN IN THE US. WERE MUSLIMS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT TOO. THESE GUYS ARE MUSLIM HATERS AND THERE IS A FIRE OF HATE INSIDE THEM I HOPE IT BURNES TILL THEY GET AN ULCER OR SOMETHING.
To Spanish eye - Your correct in every way. No one needs to debate lines from the Koran. Where there are Muslims there is trouble. The smaller the Islamic population the less trouble.
He he he he - i find it so funny that the vast majority of Islamic states or densly populated Muslim countries are also some of the most cocked up states in the world. Afghanistan - Pakistan - Iran - Iraq - Indonesia - Algeria - Somalia - in fact don't get me started on Africa. I need not quote the Koran - the state of Islam is enough to silent any debater.
How can anyone suggest that this is bias - you fools.
Since when is referencing your sources bias. Not to mention the contributions from actual Muslims (Araby) and Arabs. Even if they were cherry picking certain sources - show me other religions that are beheading people, suicide bombing, chanting death to the west, stoneing women,blowing up buses, trains and planes, and refusing to integrate into any society not their own. No religion has a clean record but Islam is violent intolerant terrible thing.
Very Very weak... its pathetic.. the definitions of disbeliever is pathetic.. for soo called 'Experts' they must have not read the 5 verses leading to 98: verse 6.. read the whole surah for urself and u will see how fake it is
and the hadith books.. none of the have images of such.. i wonder wat hadith books these 'experts' have been reading
PATHETIC!!!!
READ THE HOLY QURAN
Read this as a book. DO NOT BELIEVE what you are told.... see for yourself. Then look to scholars of Islam if you have questions. The truth you seek is not going to be found in this video!
As a formal Muslim born and raised in the Middle East, I can tell you this was the BEST and very accurate documentary about Islam, Jihad and terrorism. It is NOT propaganda like some of you mentioned. The Koran verses, Hadith, Tafseer, and all the translation were correct. I speak Arabic fluently, and studied Islam for many years. Islam’s ultimate goal is exactly what all the expert shared.
This is a load of rubbish!
All you need to do is read the Quran and the Hadith for yourself, you will see the truth of this documentary for yourself. Don't take someone elses word for it that this is a peaceful religion, read for yourself and see for yourself that this is NOT true.
I think the various viewpoints expressed in this comments section contain a great potted explanation on why, oh why, the world is riven by conflict.
I was born into a mixed family (Muslims and Christians), but pretty much by the time I could think properly, I relegated these things to the place where they belong. The nebulous region of my mind also occupied by ghosts, Ogo Pogo and Bigfoot.
However, what I find particularly amusing is the attempt of numerous posters to direct the criticism towards Islam while simultaneously claiming that their fairy tale of choice is better/ more accepting tolerant etc.
I call b@##$%&*. All middle-eastern monotheisms are, by their very nature, absolutist, totalitarian and pretty schizophrenic (e.g. alternatively loving and cruelly vindictive, caring and callous, concerned and indifferent) Those of you who have actually read your 'holy' books will have become aware of this, though this is usually where the 'interpretation' takes place, rendering the unpalatable precepts of these works (f@#$%&* children, stoning homos and unfaithful women, praying for the end of days and gloating smugly over the faithless millions who will perish yadda yadda) into a form acceptable to our sensibilities.
I challenge anyone here to actually prove that any religion is not, at its core, the celestial dictatorship that Chris Hitchens describes so eloquently.
P.S: quoting loving verses from books riddled with hatred, xenophobia and control fetishism will not counter or negate those statements. Which are, after all, supposed to be the words of an omniscient, omnipotent being with little excuse for f*ckups.
Regards,
Islam is the best.
That why majority of people on earth are muslim.
Try to learn about Islam .
muslim countries are all backward countries, thanks to islam. The problem is not the west, Jew, or anyone else but their false religion started by a warlord, pedophile, sodomist, pot-smoking lyer. They will blame their wows on anyone but themselves, since they are indoctrinated from childhood, to believe the lies propogated by the hate-spewing, genocide-inciting koran. It is the only religion that promotes and provokes murder, including civilian children and women. IT SEEMS SELF-EVIDENT, JUST LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE MUSLIM COUNTRIES, NO MORE EVIDENCE IS NEEDED, THAN WHAT IS PLAINLY SEEN.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!
Hello....
dear " Jesus is love, peace"
what you know about Islam?
The answer is you know nothing
you say what hateful Media said and you question is wrong and I will ask you the same
you said..
1-Why is there war around the world wherever there are Muslim populations?
it's wrong question because you have to know how start fighting in Palestine , Iraq etc..
your second question is..
2- Can I build mosque in Vatican ? that is the answer
also you make Obstacles for masques build
why in Switzerland Prevent the building of minarets?
is it Dangerous?
your third question is
3. Why are they the only religion that can not tolerate living with others in peace.
Because the religion is F’N evil. Peaceful is the LAST thing islam is.
The answer you don't know any thing about Islamic history.
and you can see what happening to Muslim in non Islamic countries what happening in Yugoslavia , Nigeria , India..
what Cristin did to Jewish in second world war..
you just want to talk and you know nothing.
God Bless you all. I can say Christianity, Bhudism, Hinduism, Sikhism, among others are all peaceful religions preaching love, peace, and harmony.
Islam is the only sick cult (so called religion)that has managed to force or brainwash millions around the world.
They believe the angel Gabriel came down and gave the "word" to the sicko they follow and call Mohammed. It was the devil himself pretending to be the angel Gabriel.
The ROOT of the religion itself, the base, the foundation, Mohammed himself all of it, is dirty, sick, and corrupt. God would never send a messenger who could kill, rape, give orders to kill, lie, cheat, the list goes on. ONLY THE DEVIL HIMSELF COULD GIVE ORDERS LIKE THAT.
I can understand how anyone in the world can follow any other religion in the world, just not the sick cult Islam.
I want to ask every Muslim this:
Who would you rather follow, a man who healed the sick, helped the poor, NEVER KILLED OR EVEN LAID ONE NEGATIVE FINGER OR EVEN THOUGHT FOR THAT MATTER ON ANYONE, fed the poor, and EVEN GAVE HIS LIFE FOR US!!!!!!!!!!
OR
A man that killed thousands of people with his own hands, raped hundreds of women and children, gave orders to kill tens of thousands, cheated, lied, deceived, and soo many undescribable other sickening acts
The answer is so simple. It is up to you to truly fill your heart with TRUE LOVE, or TRUE HATE. If you pick the latter, well, God Bless your soul, and I forgive you!!!
Ask yourselves this:
1. Why is there war around the world wherever there are Muslim populations?????
2. Why can new churches or any other religous temples other than Islamic ones not be built in Saudi Arabia, and many other Islamic nations.
3. Why are they the only religion that can not tolerate living with others in peace.
Because the religion is F’N evil. Peaceful is the LAST thing islam is.
Muslim people, wake up, your lying to yourselves. Islam IS NOT PEACEFUL. READ YOUR HOLY TEXTS, ACTUALLY READ THEM, ALL OF THEM.
If someone hits you, turn your cheek and let him hit the other side, if someone throws a stone at you, throw him or her back a loaf of bread.
Jesus is love, Jesus is peace. Jesus, Budha, Krishna, Guru Nanak, God Bless them all.
Its an extremely biased film :(
Cant believe i just wasted soooo long reading all this ha ha.
Sorry Muslims, you got owned
Good doc though, got the old resistance discources rolling
(Call on Jade in case of intellectual warfare)
Unfortunately, you take your information from these documentaries
You say what Spiteful say.
@ Anti-collectivist,
Just wondering,did you watch the documentary at all?? I ask that as clearly you seem to be missing the whole point.Yes you are correct in bringing up the atrocities committed by the western world and in many cases were done in the "Name of God".But of every single tragic instance aforementioned has there been any sort of backing or support into justifying the most heinous of acts in accordance with Biblical scripture? Certainly not...it just doesn't exist.
As seen and heard in the documentary we learn that subjugation,martyrdom and violence is a main stay in Islam heavily based on it's scriptures and teachings.Previous posters have solidified this point.
Christian ??? anti-Semitism.
so..
Everybody knows that there is A fierce war against Islam Waged by the Christian world Under the leadership of Europe By all means like Headscarf ban It is part of the Islamic religion Which is personal freedom and without harming anyone
It is part of the Islamic religion, Cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, documentaries like this one Prevent the building of minarets Anyone who wants to stand as candidates in elections should be hurt Muslims and by wage war and siege of the Islamic countries like Iraq , Afghanistan , Palestine by using Israel , Syria , Iran ,Sudan ....
In other words, Conflict of civilizations is fact now.
Stereotypes, hardly die :)
I am surprised that people who claim to be unbiased and neutral are pretty eager to take the game of ‘Demonising Islam’.
If Islam were considered to be spread by conquering and killing, lets not forget what happened in following places:
a. North America – Extermination of Native Americans
b. South America – Extermination of south American Natives
c. Southern Africa & Apartheid
d. Australia – Holocaust of Aborigines
e. Enslaving India & China, and force the locals to produce ‘Opium’ : for someone who does not know, Wars were fought by massacering natives for forcing Opium trade.
f. American History of Slavery
g. Spanich ethnic-clensing of Jews & Moslems - Inquisition
h. Klu Klux Klan & lynching of African-Americans
i. Frying up two entire cities with children, old and women in Japan.
j. Making life hell out of vietnamese, and now repeating it in Afghanistan and Iraq not to forget I am leaving Palestine out of the picture.
k. Lastly, If anybody can objectively see what was the World-War l. was about – It was essentially fought by powers over stealing wealth in “Africa” :)
m. The Oklahoma bombings were not labled “Christian Terrorists” – but WTC attacks were labled “Muslim Terrorists” – Media has some real biases ! – a Terrotist is a terrorist, why drag a whole community and beat its name to evil & death ?
Islam had its ripples only in Middle-East, but the Euro-American “White Monopoly” on terror and killing spanned 6 Continents.
The so called terrorism in Islam is just like a ‘mole-hill’, when compared to a mountain of ‘White domination & terrorism’.
The so called “White Euro-American” Society has much larger & serious questions to answer than any Islamic Mulla or Islamic Extremist.
Though I am not a black or Moslem, but When I see that Islam is being targeted as evil and barbaric – I cannot help but find what the our so called ‘Modern White Civilization’ has to offer – the worst things packaged in attractive sheets !
I was being lazy – I`m not concerned about the “Propaganda Clowns” – I just dont have the energy to debate brick walls.
Its like pissing in the wind. you use logic – they come back with irrelevance and so on… !
The Anti-Islamic media garbage has been going around since the "Iranian Revolution", this documentary is pure Bull-S*** !
Looks probably funded by American Christians Associations, probably by 'Dr. William Campell' - a dumbass, who still thinks earth is 6000 years old.
One of the so called terrorist is also an 'Evangelical Arab Christian' - make your research .. and nobody knows how many dollars were shoved down his A** to claim him to be once Muslim or Terrorist !
waow...EJ your commentary is the only sensible one I found on this documentary, thank you for keeping it clean! I am not going to bother wasting my time watching something that promotes the hate of others.... have a look at "Ghosts of Rawanda" and other similar docs. In my opinionit is better to remind youselves of what your role is in society, what lead you will take. There are extremists everywhere, inside and outside religion and interpretation of sources counts a lot for how people/faiths are perceived.
The evidence is in the actions. How many suicide bombers and terrorists are not Muslims (I would suggest that nowadays they are very few)? How many of those who are Muslim believe they are doing the will of the Creator by murdering other people in cold blood and hope to achieve Paradise by doing so? (Probably all of them.)
Unfortunately, I fear the belief system shown by this video is all too real. I believe essentially in respecting other people's paths to the one loving Creator of us all, and this does not preclude the fact there are many Muslims out there who are good people despite the implications of their belief system. There are many good Jews, many good Christians, many good Hindus, many good Buddhists, many good atheists, many good agnostics, etc. There are many good people whatever their path in life, there are evil people and those in between. I remember one person saying she had met many different people who all believed different things and all believed they were right.
However, whatever may be the truth is not the point. That is a matter between an individual and the Creator. If the omnipotent Creator wants a person to pursue a particular religious path, then He (or He/She) is more than capable of showing that person directly if He chooses. While I am in no doubt as to what I personally believe is true spiritually, I have no right to impose that belief on other people nor for them to impose theirs on me, with the import proviso that I should not cause harm to others unless they try to harm me - or those around me - and cannot be dissuaded from doing so.
Some of you people really disgust me. The Quran, just like the bible or Torah can be misinterpreted, and this can lead to religious extremism. Has anyone ever heard of the crusades (sarcasm) ? Come on people, stop picking on one religion as if it is the only one in history that has followers who are extreme. This documentary is clearly Islamophobic and is unfruitful in its aim. Shame on the producers who make this junk.
Peace on to everyone.
From watching this doc. it becomes very evident that all those who were interviewed are all serving the same purpose (i.e. to give a negative image of Islam). If this was to be a fair and unbiased source of info to the public why weren't they interviewing people from the other side? Why didn't they have people to rebuff or verify the claims they were making? why didn't they have imams or muslim scholars (not former terrorists who CLAIMED to be muslims) on the show? This makes me question whether this was really a documentary or a chance to bash Islam. Furthermore, if they are going to use verses from the Quran, rather than pick a single verse that serves your purpose of bashing the religion, why not pick atleast two verses before and after the one you intend on using. that way you give your audience a slight chance of making meaning of the verse rather than leaving them with only your meaning of the verse. Your understanding of a story when u hear only a portion of it will be very different from when u hear the whole of it, therefore my advise is before making any conclusion make sure you do your own research from multiple sources.
I think the producers of the doc. were using peoples' ignorance, naivety ans prejudice to their advantage. If you show people who know very little to nothing such info, its very easy to win them over. this is sad because most of the world today is just like this.
To every coin there are two sides, just like to every story there are two side.
there are no peacefull religions.
as tempting as it is, to blame it all on the history of islam is a bit one sided..
the other religions weren't so peacefull in early times either, the real difference is cultural, while the western culture (or civilization) condemns the brutal actions taken in the name of one's religion, the islamic and especially arab culture supports it when it is in their benefit.
this is the real shamefull thing, not the islam itself.
and even more shamefull are the people of the west that supports it, seen many of those in my discussions here.
Islam is the right way? Really?
Tell us how you feel about dhimmi...explain to everyone what that is, please.
How about Sharia? Explain the Christian role, or the role of any non-Muslim religion in an 'Islamic world'.
How about honor killings? opinion? Justification?
What if someone doesn't like Islam and wants to convert? Problem? Tell us the process for that please?
Did you ask your selves why all not Muslim countries make Distort and attack Islam ,
Because it's the true Religion , that is what happened to Jesus
and the other Prophets.
I say take information from the origin from Muslim people not from Spiteful people .
Islam is the right way
__________This documentary = taken out of context______
I'm not muslim yet but I have to say nothing touched my heart more than islam, I read the Koran and the life of muhammed and I'm starting to understand it although it didnt make any sence to me last year
The whole world is ours. But not everyone who lives around it believes that way. Born into a faith for example is getting babtised before you can speak or read. Before the age of consent must mean nothing in religion. Most youth are force fed religion and selected a church. Simply by being born and your parent insisted. This was long ago planned out from the begining known to fail in every civilization. By an evil who plans this directed failure called religion, also and sadly- the fear of a one outside of the body God.
The difference being is that Christians commit these crimes DESPITE the teachings of Christianity, Muslims have supressed, enslaved, murdered, occupied, raped and pillaged for 1400 years BECAUSE of the teachings of Islam (and the example of their warlord prophet)
Islam has laws to regulate what is allowed in war. When a Muslim preforms a martyrdom operation, he/she dies for his/her belief in what is right and wrong and does not lie. The west (and the Christiansen's in it)claim they are peaceful and then carpet bomb, poison, rape and steal from peoples' and lands across the world regardless if they are Muslim, Christen, Buddhist, ect. You westerners are hypocrites to the core. Muslims are Truthful and die with Truth
Its ashamed that any one human being can have the audacity to tell another they should be wiped off the planet because your beliefs are different. How embarrassing to have you identify yourselves who feel this way as American or Christian because it doesn't represent us at all.
in this era i.e. 21st century eveyone thinks that he/she has ultimate knowledge and caliber and needs no help/guidence wtsoever. i always wonder how a person can b agnostic? agnostics out there plz help me to understand agnostic state of mind.
ayesha : what make world war 3 happen ?
teddy bear : bcoz of cartoon :D
ayesha : omg how childish is it
i dunno how much of this is true having never read the actual teachings of the religion myself. but i'm sure many have heard about the threatening of south park creators over talking about moohamed and whatnot. some crazy things going on maybe.
The topic is Islam, and political Islam at that. Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism might be the worst evils that have ever seen the light of day, but that's not the topic.
Muslims often have to resort to smearing and fallacious arguments when presented with the truth about their doctrines.
lol once again. okay lets talk about that priests having sex with children is disgusting and the catholic church ought to be abolished like any other organization would.
what makes you think im christian? i am not. im an agnostic atheist.
now back to the point. if Mohammad was a prophet of god he should be MORAL. if he had sex with children he was IMMORAL. in no time in history was it RIGHT to have sex with children. just because it was accepted and normal doesnt mean it was right. the prophet of god should know right from wrong. he didnt because he was nothing special. he was just an old perverted man who used religion to get his way.
you just once again tried to use the argument that it was okay because everyone else was doing it.
just admit its wrong and Mohammad was a pedophile.
@Epicurus
Ok you got it now, good. the prophet was ideal and a GOD’s messanger. Find you something else to talk about. Did you hear about your priests f****ck children in churches. lets talk about this
@Epicurus
Ok you got it now, good. the prophet was ideal and a GOD’s messenger. Find you something else to talk about. Did you hear about your priests molesting children in churches. lets talk about this.
@Epicurus
Wow, you can not understand, when I said it was a common practice means it was normal. these days it is not. and this will not give you the right to judge the past, instead read how this happened and why, there are reaosns,
can you post my latest comment...
@sami....sure thanks for pointing out that other faiths are just as wrong and disgusting.
you have to realize that you dont deny the prophet was a pedophile. instead you just say "well everyone else was doing it!"
if everyone else was f--king children would you?
lol how about you just admit that pedophilia is wrong and no one who claims to be a prophet of god should be guilty of such an immoral act.
you know and i know it is wrong how come the prophet didnt know better?
It is pointless to discuss ignorant people like what I see here. SO I decided not to answer you guys because of your harsh impolite language that offends me. This is my last comment. And I recommend all Muslims to just neglect this discussion.
@ Epicurus.
It was a common practice by all nations in the past to marry from very young woman, here are some:
1- Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10. Age consent in our world today only 100 years ago to girls as young as 10
2- Child marriage in Judaism was traditionally restricted to female children; the earliest point at which a male is permitted to become betrothed (Hebrew: erusin) is when he reaches the age of majority, 13.[5] According to the Talmud, it was permissible for an adult male to marry a girl as young as 3.
3- In India during the 1860’s, marriage meant girls getting married below 8 or 9 years old. Socio-reform religious movements such as the Brahmo Samaj and the Arya Samaj pioneered work against child marriage. Late in the 1860’s some success was met when the Indian Penal Code prohibited intercourse with a wife who had not reached ten years of age.
4- The Hebrew Bible (Christian Old Testament) describes a number of marriages, including those of Isaac,[Gen 24:49-67] Jacob,[Gen 29:27] and Samson.[Judg 14:7-12] Polygyny, or men having multiple wives at once, is one of the most common martial arrangements represented in the Hebrew Bible,[67] yet scholars doubt that it was commom among average Israelites because of the wealth needed to practice it.
5- The age of sexual consent is still quite low in many places. In Japan, people can legally have sex at age 13, and in Spain they can legally have sex at age 12.
Details:
The pedophilic Biblical verses are Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:35-40. Below, you will see DETAILED HISTORY on these SPECIFIC verses from the Jewish Talmud explaining the pedophilia that took place against the 3-year old slave girls under the direct command of Moses
They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"
The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:
According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations."
reply to charles B
"Have you considered that at least one of the main commentators WAS a suicide bomber, but threw his bomb on the roof of a building to prevent death of “Arab” children? Such a person ought to know what they are talking about. Why not listen to him?"
This guy WAS a suicide bomber. He even was delluded enough to go this path in the first place. If you are an Arab why would you want to kill any other Arabs? just silly thinking
When Islamic terrorists massacred 186 children and 148 other non-Muslims on the morning of September 3rd, 2004 at a schoolhouse in Beslan, Russia, very few Muslims celebrated the high-profile event and some even took the time to denounce it. But, in a community renowned for its peevishness, there was very little passion over the routine slaughter of innocents in the name of Islam.
While rumors of a Qur’an desecration or a Muhammad cartoon bring out deadly protests, riots, arson and effigy-burnings, the mass murder of non-Muslims generally evokes yawns. In the six years following 9/11 more than 10,000 acts of deadly Islamic terrorism were perpetrated, yet all of them together fail to provoke the sort of outrage on the part of most Muslims that the mere mention of Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo inspires.
This critical absence of moral perspective puzzles many Westerners, particularly those trying to reconcile this reality with the politically-correct assumption that Islam is like other religion. The Judeo-Christian tradition preaches universal love and unselfishness, so it is expected that the more devout Muslims would be the most peaceful and least dangerous... provided that Islam is based on the same principles.
But beneath the rosy assurances from Muslim apologists that Islam is about peace and tolerance lies a much darker reality that better explains the violence and deeply-rooted indifference. Quite simply, the Qur'an teaches supremacy and hate.
I'm not a Jew, and I don't popagate any religion. I am not arguing from a religious standpoint, but a moral one. I'm a political science major and have an avid interest in Islamic law and Islamic studies in general.
One doesn't have to be religious to recognise an intolerant, supremacist political system built on tyrrany and violence.
Let's be straight here, I'm not talking about the pillars of Islam or the spiritual side of Islamic teachings, I have a problem with the political side which seeks to subjegate the unbelievers under Islamic rule, I object to a restriction of freedom to criticize Islam and the restriction of free speech in general.
To the muslim apologists here, let's look at a few verses:
Here's the 'holy' Koran calling non-muslims 'the worst of creatures'. Worse than rapists, murders, liars etc.
Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Here's Allah calling non muslims 'the vilest animals'.
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness. Verse 7:179 says they are like "cattle" only worse.
Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. Verse 2:65 echoes the theme.
A hadith says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (Bukhari 54:524, also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).
Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than demons who believe in Muhammad.
According to Islamic law, non-Muslims may be enslaved (owned as property) by Muslims, but - in keeping with Islam's supremacist message - a fellow Muslim should never be.
How can you seriously defend such hateful supremacist doctrines? Seriously?
Here's another one, there are hundreds of these supremacist verses backed up by interpration of equal moral distain from the Hadith.
This one tells muslims NOT TO BE FROIENDS WITH NON MUSLIMS.
O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? (4:144)
And another for good measure:
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)
For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)
As for them, they are but plotting a scheme (86:15)
Those outside of Islam are really helpers of evil against Allah:
The Misbeliever is a helper (of Evil), against his own Lord! (25:55)
Instead of befriending non-Muslims, Muslims are ordered to fight them:
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. (9:123)
This is hate speech in it's most brutal form, something that 21st century human rights activists should openly criticize, but they seem to take all the death threats and Fatwas seriously. Could that be because Islam and it's most ardent followers actually make good on their death threats? 15,000 terror attcks since the 2001 twin towers attacks testifies to this, the rage over cartoons, the fatwa on Rushdie, Van Gogh, Wilders...anyone who openly criticizes this opressive, vile and intolerant sect.
Enough is enough.
mohammed was a pedophile and had sex with a child.
if he is supposed to be a prophet of god he ought to know that having sex with a child is ALWAYS wrong.
i cant wait to watch the muslims make up excuses for this.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Arabs had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.
Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.
i believe to name all the people muhhamad is very stupid indeed how can you name most of the people jesus ?
@Jade:
Jade you’re just a sad pathetic person who likes to pick up random sayings and actions of the Prophet and instead of giving a correct explanation for the actions and saying you just twist them for your own evil agenda.
Don’t people kill in a state of war?? Even in the 21st Century people are dying all the time. Do you even know how many people have died in Iraq war? If killing criminals is a crime then you better start punishing the whole world.
However I will refute the first few points you have made its obvious that you have just copied and pasted your hate from elsewhere so I am not going to sit here and explain every single ignorant comment you have made.
Secondly I am STILL waiting for the proof for the ’70 battles lead’ by the Prophet. The clock is sticking......
@ Jada
I am going to respond to all your lates messages. But i would like to know something about the person i am talking to. So tell us about your believe, religion (i guess you are a jew), and what do you do?
Thanks
We have to conclude that Adam and his like are either: ignorant of Islams supremacist and violent doctrines or they are lying when speaking to westerners.
Why would any Muslim lie? Isn't lying a morally reprehensible practice according to Islam?
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"
Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"
Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."
Bukhari (52:271) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.
I could go on an on, this man was a warlord who plundered, murdered, attacked, condoned rape, pillage and committed unspeakable crimes in the name of his God.
In any case, the 70 or so battles and raids are documented and available. I will post them, but it will make little difference to those who hold this man as an example to humanity.
Muhammad died of a fever in 632 at the age of 63, with his violent religion now firmly rooted in the Arab lands. Through his teachings, his followers viewed worldly life as a constant physical battle between the House of Peace (Dar al-Salaam) and the House of War (Dar al-Harb). Muslims are instructed to invite their enemies to either embrace Islam, pay jizya (protection money), or die.
Over the next fourteen centuries, the bloody legacy of this extraordinary individual would be a constant challenge to those living on the borders of the religion’s hegemony. The violence that Muslim armies would visit on people across North Africa, the Middle East, Europe and into Asia as far as the Indian subcontinent is a tribute to a founder who condoned subjugation, rape, murder and forced conversion in the cause of spreading the rule of his religion.
In Muhammad's words: "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them..." (Bukhari 8:387)
It is certainly the basis not just for modern day terror campaigns against Western infidels (and Hindus and Buddhists) but also the broad apathy that Muslims across the world have to the violence, which is an obvious enabler.
As Indonesian cleric, Abu Bakar Bashir recently put it, "If the West wants to have peace, then they have to accept Islamic rule."
"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)
Although there are many reliable accounts from the Hadith and Sira that mention the Mustaliq grazing cattle, not one mentions Muhammad making any effort at peacemaking. In this case, Muhammad's men raped the women (with his approval) after slaughtering the men (Sahih Muslim 3371).
Near the end of his life, the prophet of Islam directed military campaigns for the mere purpose of spreading Islamic rule. He knew that some cities would resist and others would not. He left instructions to his people for dealing with each case:
The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you. (Sahih Muslim 4346)
As can be seen, those who were not at war with the Muslims are to be subjugated anyway, and their property seized. The only distinguishing factor is the extent of Muslim entitlement following the victory.
Military campaigns to extend Islamic domination include the raid on Tabuk, which was a second incursion into the Christian territory of Syria, in which Muhammad forced the local populace to pay him tribute after ambushing and killing local civilians to assert his authority (Ibn Ishaq 903). Another example would be the “convert or die” mandate given to an Arab tribe, the Banu al-Harith:
Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. (Ibn Ishaq 959)
In fact, the first part of the 9th Sura, the most bellicose chapter of the Qur’an, was revealed shortly after the Muslims had established military dominance in Mecca. Consider one of the more violent verses:
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them (9:5)
The words, “when the forbidden months are past,” precludes the possibility that this was a matter of self-defense.
The Muslims had already been given the divine right to fight during the sacred months, and it is simply implausible that they would have suffered attacks over a four month period without defending themselves. That they were not under attack is consistent with the historical context, in which the Haj period was a traditional time of peace and tolerance throughout Arabia.
Although not under attack from the pagans, Muhammad ordered his men to chase and kill the unbelievers following the Haj. The pagans who agreed to become Muslim (ie. practice the pillars of Islam, zakat and salat) would be allowed to live following their conversion. Verse 9:29 offers a separate rule for Jews and Christians, allowing them to keep their religion as long as they pay protection money to Muslims and acknowledge the inferiority of their faith. Should they resist, then they should be killed.
One of the best documented examples of Muslim aggression during the lifetime of Muhammad is the attack on the peaceful community of Khaybar. This followed the treaty of Hudaibiya between the Muslims and Meccans, which called for a period of peace between the two groups. The treaty was controversial with Muslims, not only because it contradicted Allah’s prior mandate to “drive out” the Meccans with violent force (2:191), but also because Muhammad agreed not to be recognized as a prophet in the document (Muslim 4401).
Muhammad decided that it was prudent to attack the Jews at Khaybar in order to regain the trust of his people and placate their grumbling with military victory and (especially) the stolen wealth that followed. This is embarrassing to modern-day Muslim apologists, who try to justify the siege by imagining that the sleepy farming community, located about 100 miles outside of Medina, posed some sort of necessary threat.
Unfortunately for contemporary apologists, not only is there no supporting evidence that the Muslims were under attack by the Khaybar, there are at least three historical references that flatly contradict any notion of self-defense on the part of Muhammad. The first is a description of the initial attack by Ibn Ishaq:
We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, “Muhammad with his force,” and turned tail and fled… The apostle seized the property piece by piece… (Ibn Ishaq 757)
The people of Khaybar were not attacking Muhammad. They were farming their land with shovels and buckets, not even knowing that they were supposed to be at war. This is further confirmed in the same text:
When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him. (Ibn Ishaq 757)
Muhammad attacked only after waiting to see if the people of Khaybar issued a morning call to prayer. This would have no possible relevance had they already been at war with him.
Perhaps the best proof that Muhammad was not acting in self-defense is the fact that his own people did not understand why they were marching to war. His son-in-law, who was in charge of the military expedition, had to ask for justification:
Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)
The question Ali posed would have been unnecessary had the Muslims been under attack by the Khaybar or if the answer to the question were obvious. As it is, Muhammad’s reply underscores the ostensible purpose of the campaign, which was to force the Jews into acknowledging the superiority of Islam.
Muhammad’s men easily captured Khaybar and divided up the loot. The prophet of Islam tortured the community’s treasurer to extract information, then had him killed (Ibn Ishaq 764). Muhammad then took the man’s widow, Saffiya, as his wife after trading two other captured women to one of his lieutenants (Ibn Ishaq 758). The surviving Jews were allowed to stay on their land provided that they gave their Muslim masters an ample share of their crops.
Therefore, the rule of aggression in Islam, from the example set by Muhammad, is that it is proportional to the power held by Muslims, and not the persecution that they are under. The rare verses of peace in the Qur'an were "revealed" in Mecca, when true oppression existed (in some cases). The verses of violence that are revealed later correspond to Muslim military might even as any persecution of Muslims had largely dried up.
All of you Christian Islamaphobics need to read your own holy book. How about some Deuteronomy 13:1-16 where God says non-Christians are going to Hell? (And it upsets you that the Qur'an says non-Muslims are going to Hell???)
As are most Christians, you people seem to have forgotten (or are just ignorant) that in the Bible God tells about "eternal damnation" for non-Christians. He also sees fit to order you Christians to KILL those who worship other Gods - even your own parents, children, etc., and to destroy cities of non-believers!
How are you supposed to kill all the non-believers? With a SWORD!
And if you want to read some really violent, vile, hateful and bloody scripture of God, you don't need to go out and buy a Qur'an to find it! Read a chapter or two of Leviticus in the Bible you already own!
You obviously don't even know what the Bible says. The horrors in the Bible are far worse then any verses from the Qur'an or Hadith!
Gives me the shivers every time I read it!
@Jade:
Excuse me if I was ignorant of Islam I wouldn't be here trying to discuss this issue with you and others so please don't think I am an ignorant Muslim who is unaware of the texts of Islam because that assumption by you is totally baseless. I choose to be a Muslim and not because my parents are Muslim or whatever else you may be thinking. It’s an obligation upon every Muslim to educate their self and others about Islam.
Throughout a person’s lifetime he or she is continually learning similarly a Muslim who is studying Islam is always learning and he/she never stops gaining knowledge. It’s not possible for student of Islam to master all its different sciences you have to remember Islam is a way of life and much more than just a religion.
Jade you have mistakenly assumed that I have never read the ‘Sirah’ of the Prophet. I would feel very shameful as a Muslim not to have read the sirah of the Prophet and I’m sure so would many other Muslims.
I have read several different compilations about the life of the Prophet by a number of different authors. The most popular and the most authentic is the book named “The Sealed Nectar” by Saifur Rahman al-Mubarakpuri. There are numerous other works by scholars in the Arabic language which have not been translated into the English.
The battles and raids are well documented, you said in one your previous posts that the prophet ‘lead some 70 battles’- this is an appalling lie that you or someone else has made up. This number is concocted by those who wish to spread false information about Islam. I asked you before for the names of these battles and I ask you again if you are truthful to give me the names of these 70 battles.
How can you say that I have not studied or read hadith when I had replied to SteveM’s post by quoting numerous hadiths? Look at my previous posts. So again you really don’t know what you are talking about.
You have not gave any references for any of these battles. All you have done is name a few books of hadith narrations which consist of many volumes. For your information Sahih Bukhari consists of 9 vols., Sahih Muslim consists of 7 vols. and Sunan Aboo Dawud consists of 5 thick vols. I have these collections in my library so I know how vast these books are. You say to me that I am skimming over the overwhelming evidence when you have only named titles of books and you think that you have proven your point? You have proved nothing and have said a lot which does not hold any substance at all.
Jade I am really interested in a genuine discussion with yourself but a discussion that is productive so please bring your sources for these ’70 battles lead by Muhammad’ then we will talk about all the other issues you have raised.
There are many people who really want to understand the current situation regarding Islam and the west. The gap between the Muslim and non Muslim communities is going to continue to grow if people don’t speak out about these bigots and their hate propaganda which they are spreading. I and many other Muslims do not want this to be the case but there are bigots out there on both sides who use every opportunity and exploit them further for their own cause and this propaganda is just one clear example of that.
Sami,
Under Sharia law and Muslim rule:
1. New churches cannot be built
2. Christianity may not be openly practiced or preached
3. Existing churches must not be restored or maintained
4. The humiliating Jizya tax is to be paid by all non-muslims who are mandated to be subdued (sura 9.29 and dozens of Hadiths)
5. The penalty for spreading 'michief' in the land is having your feet and arms cut off (practiced by Mohammad and commanded by the Koran)
6. The penalty for apostacy (leaving Islam) is death
7. Women are entitled to exactly half the inheritence of men, their testimony is worth half that of a man's
All of the above teachings, including many more barbaric opressive and supremacist doctrines are derived from Islamic holy texts such as the Sunna and the Koran.
How can you talk about freedom of religion when Islam is so cruel and ruthless and dismissive of human and religious rights?
We in the west would like to believe that all religious are essentially the same. There have been over 15,000 deadly Jihad attacks since September 11 of 2001, most of these terrorists now Islam and it's doctrines better that western Islamic apologists, and believe that they are fighting in the cause of Allah as commanded by their holy texts, which they devote a lifetime to studying.
The trouble is, they cannot be refuted as Islam really does teach warfare, subjegation and supremacy over the Kuffir until they say that there is no God but Allah. The evidence is overwhelming, undenyable.
I have no issue with Muslims, but politial Islam. Most muslims are peaceful not because of Islam, but because of their ignorance about Islam.
Sami,
Heres something that most westerners believe, "Freedom of choices" be it religion among other things. You stated that Islam will rise up, at what cost shall it rise? destruction, war, death?
Western countries were founded on one religion, and accept many others as part of our melding pot. I personally don't want to have my government force any religion on me. So if my countries head officals say "wait thats not how we run things here" why should we as a people be forced to follow Islam?? Yes we should be allowed to practice our beliefs in our own way in our own home in our own temple of choice.
I feel Islam is being forced upon us and why? do I not have the right to choose a religion as I see fit?
I have educated my self in the Muslim belief, you are part of a very beautiful religion with strong ties to the history of the world. Have you educated yourself in Catholism or any other "new world" religion? To often I find people unwilling to learn another culture because of close mindedness!
Jade,
You don’t understand the fundamentals of Islam. It is easy and I don’t want to argue it with you. Islam is based on spreading the message and fought who ever was against spreading it. This means Islam will not fight you if you don’t believe but will if you stop it. For Example, to make it easy for you to comprehend, if you are a country ruler, you can not stop your people from hearing and freely choosing Islam. If you do Islam will fight you but will not force the people to change their religion.
God directed PROPHET Muhammad towards this way and God wants to save people from HELL. You will not believe this, I know, because God’s rules are different than your rules. You can not measure things up according your rules.
I wanted to clear it up and I do not want you to change your believe. Islam will rise up and no one can stop it, it is God’s wish. Look around you in your city, you will see it.
Those Guys in the doc have one shared thing, is hatred against Islam for different reasons. You don’t need to agree with me, and I am not going to convince every one here. God will protect his message very well my friend. Thanks God that I am Muslim.
PEACE
Adam I suggest you study the topic, you obviosly have never read the Sira where all the battles and raids are documented, some in depth. We've established also that you have never read or studied the Hadith obviously and do not have even basic knowledge of Islamic doctrines or history.
You asked me to name the scholars, I gave you Islam's most trusted sources, you skim over the overwhelming evidence and attemopt to muddy the water even more. I think you are not interested in a genuine discussion..
I lost one of my best friends because he married a Muslim woman and converted. This documentary only confirmed things I already previously suspected about Islam. Kudos to all those that put this film together - they had some very credible people involved in this. Keep shedding the light, in Christ's most precious and Holy name - not one of the many imposture's names...such as Muhammad. Satan, the father of lies...He perverts truths - Islam is his greatest creation, and he has even succeeded and almost destroying Christianity itself today with it's modern attitudes and policies of 5500+ denominations.
@Jade:
WOW Muhammad lead some 70 battles?? that is a load of rubbish and pure lies.
Give me the names of these 70 battles if you are truthful I will be waiting.
Any sound thinking man would not require much thinking to see that this is a biased documentary, if you wish to ignore both sides and see the side of argument which you wish to see , then hence be it.
Defensive battles? You cannot be serious. Muhammad lead some 70 battles all of which except for 1 were offensive with a view of expanding Muslim dominance and brutally enslaving Christians, Jews, Zeroastrians and others under Islamic law and governance.
The Muslim empire expanded drammatically under Muhammad and after his death under the 4 rightly guided Caliphs that continued their brutal raids of aggression against their neighbours. They burned, plundered, raped, took women as war booty and demanded the Jizya be paid with willing submission and humiliation.
All of th Arabian peninsula, North Africa, Southers Europe, Asia Minor, the Balkans, north India, Persia were overrun by muslim armies believing that religion should be for Alah, as their holy scriptures commanded.
The Koran says so. The Hadiths say so. The scholars agree. The schoold of jurisprudence agree. Modern scholars agree. Thousands of Imams and clerics to this day agree. Only the Muslims in the west seem to disagree with 1400 years of history and their own 'holy' texts.
Rather a pickle they are in given Islams violent doctrines and bloody past. It's is a supressive, supremacist political sysem which cannot be criticised or reformed, because it is crystal clear, it's objectives are evident.
Take it from Majid Khadduri, an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown. In his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam, which was published in 1955 and remains one of the most lucid and illuminating works on the subject, Khadduri says this about jihad:
The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God's law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world....The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state. (P. 51)
Don't believe Khadduri? Very well. How about Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari'ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: "Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book...is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah." Nyazee concludes: "This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation" of non-Muslims.
Don't believe him? I can quote HUNDREDS of thousands quotes like the above two. Knowing this, why is anyone defending this barbaric political farce?
Very good Documentary, defenitly not Propaganda. And i know my way around Propaganda being from Germany and all. :)
I absolutely reccomend watching this.
Dear Readers,
May Peace, Blessings & Mercy of God Be With You,
First & foremost thank you for your feedbacks. Accusations of any kind are merely lip service. What I requested are evidences from authentic sources but evidences are amiss.
For 13 years prior to meeting the persecutors at the battle field, Muhammad & his companions kept their patience & tolerance. Out of 23 years of Prophet Hood, Muhammad & his companions suffered dearly at the hands of the persecutors – even with dire loss of lives, belongings & security they demonstrated the highest level of patience & perseverance -for which the proven History is yet to bear record to such courageous men unparallel to any recorded History of men.
Guide me to proven records - perhaps I will assist you out in your ad vocation & let those thinking Westerns who are turning to Islam in thousands today to pause & rethink about their choice of accepting Islam.
Alternatively, let us invite all the major news network & have an open session on the danger Islam poses to humanity follow it up with a Q&A session hence everyone who attend the meeting can have an irrevocable opportunity to express themselves & have the world media(s) live telecast it worldwide.
With due respect, may I ask what denomination you may belong to, thus I can understand your background much better.
Let me know your thoughts.
Adam is right
Steve is right.
@SteveM:
A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Messenger of God! Who among the people is the most worthy of my good companionship? The Prophet said: Your mother. The man said, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man further asked, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man asked again, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your father. (Bukhari, Muslim).
Abdullah bin Amr reported the Prophet as saying: The whole world is a provision, and the best object of benefit of the world is the pious woman. (Sahih Muslim, #3465)
It is narrated by Asma bint Abu Bakr that during the treaty of Hudaibiyah, her mother, who was then pagan, came to see her from Makkah. Asma informed the Prophet of her arrival and also that she needed help. He said: Be good to your mother (Sahih Bukhari, Muslim).
Islam teaches us how to treat our women with great kindness and respect. Those who oppress women or abuse them have nothing to do with Islam and are acting totally contrary to the teachings of Islam. Maybe you should have a look at the figures for domestic violence in the UK then maybe you will realise that the problem of mistreating women is worldwide and not just in the Islamic community.
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@ Jade:
I have the collections of Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim and also the Sunan of Abi Dawud. I do agree with you there is hadith in those vast hadith compilations which talk about violence. Please do bear in mind these books have thousands of hadith about the Prophet’s lifetime and his Companions.
The violence in those hadiths is totally justified because the Prophet and the Muslims fought those who where waging war against them. They were fighting so that peace can prevail and they were fighting for their own survival, which person would not fight in these circumstances? And do remember this was 1400 years ago there was no law or anything then you either fight for your survival or you die it was as simple as that. When the Prophet brought the Quran to the Arabs in the early 7th century A.D., a major part of his mission was devoted precisely to bringing an end blood feuds and mass violence. Pre -Islamic Arabia was caught up in a vicious cycle of warfare, in which tribe fought tribe in a pattern of vendetta and counter vendetta. Muhammad himself survived several assassination attempts, and the early Muslim community narrowly escaped extermination by the powerful city of Mecca.
The Prophet had to fight a deadly war in order to survive, but as soon as he felt his people were safe, he devoted his attention to building up a peaceful coalition of tribes and achieved victory by an ingenious and inspiring campaign of non violence. When he died in 632, he had almost single-handedly brought peace to war-torn Arabia.
Dear All,
May Peace, Blessing & Mercy Of God be to you,
Hope you are keeping well. I was just running with each comments, which represent discussion with each quoting their best known sources but without any conclusion(s). Perhaps for those brothers or sisters who have issues with the Islamic tenets.
Why not hire a hall, with an open invitation to anyone. At the pavilion you can take out all your doubts, questions, misconception in respect to Islam. And we shall have learned individual or scholars to enlighten us on the matter(s).
At least, this mode of discussion will shorten the divide instead of prolonging mistrust for all. Let me know your thoughts. Appreciate all your efforts.
@adam
Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Ibn Ishaq, Tabari and Abu Dawud are violent Hadith collectins from the earlierst, most reliable sources which fully agree with Islamic supremacist doctrines and how they are to be followed by believers.
Have you read the Hadiths? Violence and supremacism is intrinsic in Islam, open ended commands to wage war untill religion is only for Allah are prevailant and only western apologists seem to disagree. Hundreds of thousands of clerics, imams and other religious leaders are unanomous, as are the Hadith and the Sira, and the Qu'ran itself which commands warfare and subjegation. How anyone can disagree when the sources are plainly available is beyond me.
No thinking person needs this doc. to instill hatred towards Islam. Islam makes the case against itself quite nicely by treating women like shit and terrorizing the whole world with bombings. The biggest problem you have is not accepting that Mohammad was obviously "a really sick dude". Head chopping, baby f--king, psychopath. Your prophet was a mental patient, how can any good ever come from this. I also dislike all other religions, but Islam is particularly disgusting, mostly because of how you treat your own mothers, women!
@beyhondhorizon and sami - I couldn't have said it better myself. I am an American revert to Islam and hold degrees in Philosophy, MLIS and PhD in Islamic Studies. I wanted to add some comments but I think these two (and a few others) summed it up nicely.
Another attempt to further apart eastern and western civilizations. This documentary is appalling and playing with the very psychology of human beings. Invoking and manipulating the emotion of fear against the unknown. Nearly 1429 years ago Islam started its journey from Arabia. Now its the world largest religion exceeding the number of catholics.
The most read book in the world is Quran. The most common name in the world is Muhammad. The most repeated announcement in the world (either in low of high voice) is Azan.The most commonly visited place in the world is Kabba (makkah) How can you marginalize such a vast faith by saying that it do not streamline with the modern western values.
Islam has the ability to sort out a human being from inside out. It gives the true meaning of life and contentment which most of us crave for. Islam do not favor capitalism or socialism let alone the dictatorship its clawed in nowadays. It advocates for equal rights for all humanity and strictly forbids racism which the west took so long to overcome.
Yes like every great system Islam has a political dimension. which tells people to establish a just society and stand against those who violate the rights of the vulnerable. and who is the vulnerable here? the one who cannot defend themselves. Now tell me; from such a long time, the imperialistic political forces are assaulting the weak and you are not ready to accept a retaliation?
Every action has a reaction which is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction". Palestine, Iraq (twice), Iran (forced regime), Kashmir (sold along with its people by the British to feudals), Lebanon (you know), Bosnia (mass graves), Chechnya, Afghanistan (the playground of soviets and united snakes), Pakistan (the puppet of US who kills its own people on command).
Through a stone on a wall with force and its a chance it will bounce back to hit you. Now we are talking here about real human with living emotions. I asked an old afghan whats the most valuable thing in your life? he answered my family and my religion (and he added) both are under attack.
Like every potent medicine, Islam has some "side effects" which is not very easy to digest by any society based on free will and legislated on human desires. Islam is not just a set of beliefs like any other religion but a way of life which guides you in every matter of life from cradle to grave. It strictly forbids sex outside marriage, alcohol (Islam prefers a person with senses), demands most respect for the family elders (even if they ask you not to go out on weekend), forbids free mixing of the genders (prevention is better than abortion) and so on.
These "side effects" which are actually in place to sort out a society are disliked by the most free will (western) people and thus a conflict of values begin and the material for such documentaries is produced.
Islam is about integrity and logic. Don't be biased and remember your thinking is not free to analyse the truth yet.
Jade: Which "scholars and commentators from Islam's earliest days"??
Can you please give me the name of these scholars? I will be waiting for them. And also this anti Islamic documentary has made a lot of false claims about Islam so I’m not going to sit here and explain every single point they have made.
I am not an ignorant Muslim who follows Islam because they are born a Muslim. I know my religion well and I have studied it for many years. I know most of this documentary is just an attempt to portray Islam in a very bad image when the truth is contrary.
again, the scholars and commentators from Islam's earliest days fully agree with the interpretations offered here, western muslims who are embarrassed by the facts do not. Surprise surprise.
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So this doc is the first and last of their work. A work just ment to spread hatred agiainst Islam
Karen Armstrong wrote in her review of Spencer's books that he writes in hatred, deliberately manipulating evidence to support his thesis.[21]
"When discussing Muhammad’s war with Mecca, Spencer never cites the Koran’s condemnation of all warfare as an ”awesome evil”, its prohibition of aggression or its insistence that only self-defence justifies armed conflict. He ignores the Koranic emphasis on the primacy of forgiveness and peaceful negotiation: the second the enemy asks for peace, Muslims must lay down their arms and accept any terms offered, however disadvantageous. There is no mention of Muhammad’s non-violent campaign that ended the conflict."
"People would be offended by an account of Judaism that dwelled exclusively on Joshua’s massacres and never mentioned Rabbi Hillel’s Golden Rule, or a description of Christianity based on the bellicose Book of Revelation that failed to cite the Sermon on the Mount. But the widespread ignorance about Islam in the West makes many vulnerable to Spencer’s polemic; he is telling them what they are predisposed to hear. His book is a gift to extremists who can use it to ”prove” to those Muslims who have been alienated by events in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq that the west is incurably hostile to their faith."
Islam is a peaceful religion, and those sections that were mentioned in the Quran were said for a specific occasion. Quran is a book of everyday for Ever, means it is very complicated and needs some one to understand the Islamic culture and Arabic language very well to interpret it correctly. I understand Arabic and what those guys were saying that Islam does not respect the people of BOOK is absolutely wrong. Islam fights who ever attack Muslims and Islam is based on spreading the word of GOD peacefully. Allah is your GOD, there is only one god, if there is more. Before you judge and write your silly comment, read about the Quran miracles and explore Islam through other documentaries and books, do not let this one to control your judgment towards Islam hatred. You cannot judge a religion based on one hour doc. Read more. God bless everybody.
Apologizing for Islam, are ya, well,...
"al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (the Abrogator and the Abrogated)
This simply means that in situations wherein verses contradict one another, the early verses are overridden by the latter verses.
Most Muslims fully understand that the few Quranic verses that seemingly promote equality, peace and justice are more often than not overridden/ nullified by later verses that validate such things as murder, terrorism and legalistic restrictions on routine human and women's rights.
Totally disgraceful propaganda against Islam most of the verses of the Qur'an and traditions of the Prophet are quoted completely out of context.
When you are in a state of war you’re not going to kiss and make up your obviously going to fight if peace is not an option.
“when Saladin took Jerusalem back, he made a very peaceful treaty with its occupants, read history, and be comprehensive…” – Alex i totally agree with you but these bigots wouldn’t make such a point about how Islam is a very peaceful religion. There objective is just to portray Islam as a intolerant religion whereas the truth is it’s far from it.
Peace.
OMG!!! This is a load of rubbish and totally anti Islamic people read the Qur'an yourself and find out the truth. All the verses are quoted out of context.
On the subject of Islam (Mohammedanism) Winston Churchill wrote in his book "The River of War"
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. —Sir Winston Churchill pages 248-50
It's interesting that the very same people who call the scholars of Islam biggoted themselves have never studied the supremacist, mysoginistic and racist doctrines found within the Q'uran and Sunna. The books are available for all, dispute the claims of the documentary with evidence, not namecalling and assumptions.
@ truth
The documentary reports on the teachings of the learned Muslim commentators, scholars and most trusted early sources. Are you calling the Hadith and the Sira, and the Koran, biggoted?
great doc. Some of my Muslim friends feel very disturbed at the teaching of the Quran but are afraid to say so openly. I believe that more education and awareness will bring a sea change in the Muslim mind.
Those that live by the sword will die by the sword. (Bible)
I pray for them that they will follow the way of peace.
FONY PROPOGANDA... dont believe these bigots
To those that claim that the Q'uran is being cherry picked and taken out of context here, luckily we have the Hadith to explain it to us, from Islam's most trusted sources. Lo and behold, the explanation and elaboration to be found therein is actually more intolerant and supremacist than the Q'uran itself. The schools of jurisprudence agree also. Only western media and muslims in the west seem to disagree. But if the verses are out of context (there are litterally HUNDREDS of supremacist, violent, intolerant, insulting and vile commands in the Q'uran) how come so many faithful muslims, from imams to clerics, all over the middle east and elsewhere so grossly misunderstand Islam?
The documentary is spot on and accurate, the misunderstanders of Islam are those who still maintain that it is a religion of peace. It most certainly is not. It's a violent supremacist political system with claims divine guidence. Thus more dangerous than previous supremacist ideologies.
Propaganda. they take Koran out of context, when Saladin took jerusalem back, he made a very peaceful treaty with its occupants, read history, and be comprehansive...
What, are you saying I look horrible but have nice inner values?!
:-D
Hardy it is clear to me you have never contemplated the existence of you inner apple!
Argh what a stupid documentary! It's basically saying "islam is violent in COMPARISON to christianty", which is simply not true. If people were to take Christianity literally, it wouldn't be an inch different from islam.
Also, this whole idea of the moderate muslims trying to 'trick' the good christians, only to kill them all when they're not looking is just silly.
Moderate muslims, as moderate christians, are mostly born into their religion. Growing up with a specific religion leads to the blind acceptance of it. The real damage is coming from the radicals, which exist on both sides. The moderates are simply money-donors to an organization which they have never questioned because they were raised with it.
As always, it's a few people doing bad things with the money they get from many.
Skol!
@Yavanna
"I`m going to have another beer and meditate on this some more….."
That's the spirit, guv-na.
Njaaa
Yes I agree we all seek self realisation. For my part I expect nothing special in my self realisation. I am no more special then any other of the creatures than walk crawl or swim this earth (most of whom don't write nor read "sacred" texts.)
Know yourself.... It is all that we can ever really aspire to do! It is interesting that you refer to a Greek sage. Most of the Qu'rans "scientific" observations are Grecian in origin. Purely a coincidence of course that Greece was part of Muhammed's caravan route as a merchant before he joined the snake oil trade?
What I will never understand is how the Islamic nations were at one point (1600 AD ish) premier in scientific and philosophical, knowledge and invention then ... lost their way. Islam invented the distillery process for instance. Alcohol (PHUI) is an Islamic word.... yet regarded as evil now.
I`m going to have another beer and meditate on this some more.....
It's obvious what you desire is Self-realization.
Of all the sacred texts I've read I'll defer to the Greek sage who said it best, "Know Thy Self."
I`m not "neglecting" the inner aspect of religions I am disregarding any possible inner aspect. To further the apple metaphor I believe they are all rotten to the core. One bad apple can spoil the basket too, in which case it's far too late in the day to find a good one.
I understand your gems in rubble analogy, but surely it would be better employed to illustrate picking a religion that suits the person. Then picking the bits that they like? Usually I would say cherry picking but in this case.... apple picking?
Now I think Solomon is great but that particular quote isn't one of his most clear. I`ll say little more unless you would wish to better explain what he was attempting to "make clear." I`m not being obtuse. To take one part though "we should live the life that was upon us." I would take the meaning of that to be: live naturally and to live is to fully live; not spend half of one's waking moments in prayer and our noses buried in indecipherable "paradoxical and enigmatic" scriptures. Humans came well before books or gods.
If [insert the name of your God here] really wanted people to understand anything he supposedly sent angels, prophets and burning bushes to tell us, then being capable of ANYTHING he could in an instant send a clear and concise set of writings. No paradoxical and enigmatic meanings - just the facts. He could even get up to speed with technology maybe. Bring out a Blue Ray disk or start a blog on the inter-webs!
Now how could THAT not be in any way clearer?
@Yavanna
The quote reads, "When you are occupied with outward forms, you lose the meanings."
You wrote, "The inner aspect of an apple is neglected if the outside is mouldy...."
By your own admission you are---neglecting the inner aspect of religion.
If you are protesting the seeming hypocrisy of religion, I can't fault you. It can also be paradoxical and enigmatic. A modicum of faith is required and some of us find gems amongst the rubble, as illustrated by a quote from the great Solomon S. Buyco who wrote,
"...as it is as it was in the very creation, we should live the life that was upon us....It is more unto it than of what is on this as it was as of today."
Now, how could it be any more clear?
The INNER aspect of an apple is neglected if the OUTSIDE is mouldy and crawling with maggots. I could come up with a few more metaphorical analogies if we are playing that game.
THE INNER ASPECT OF ISLAM
which is neglected
DUE TO THE OUTWARD FORMS
"When you are occupied with outward forms, you lose the meanings. Therefore, the one who is occupied by looking at outward things by externals is going to lose his inner life.
Religion is not only an external structure which has outward forms but it has an inner reality too. Now in our time our scholars are making Islam, only an outward form and are speaking on and on about those magnificent forms from the outward aspect. But they can't imagine how magnificent it is inside."
Baba, all religion is obsolete now. The bible is filled with instructions to inflict violence also. Have you read ALL of the "good book"? The old testament in particular?
"In the Old Testament there is so much war and violence sanctioned by Yahweh. Is this the same loving God portrayed in the New Testament? Let's take this seriously by quoting a few verses that seem repugnant to us. For example, Deuteronomy 20 contains Yahweh's instructions about war. If a city does not accept Israel's offer of peace and open its gates, then "when the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it" (verse13). With regard to other cities, the command is (verse 16), "Do not leave anything that breathes."
True Muslims are Taliban's in Afghanistan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a true film! If Christians kills in the name of there god. they do it wrong according to the Bible, they cannot say the Bible says so!
on the contrary If a Muslim does not kill in the name of Islam. they do it wrong according to the Koran, they cannot say the Koran say so!
Think for your self. A good tree gives good fruits (Bible).
If you are going to raise questions and debate regarding an issue that is so very sensitive be honest and present your specific viewpoint. I for one dont do guessing games.
“Terrorists are practicing Islam in its pure form.” Which ones? As a retired anti-terrorism officer in the Metropolitan police service (UK) - I think that generalism is quite stupid TBH. I dont think many Irish peeps are muslim....
"How would the world look like if all Christians would be practicing Christianity in it’s purest form?" There would be a lot less salad bars...... Seriously were you stoned when you asked this?
*Quick fact – Islam is a few hundred years younger than Christianity.* Correctamondo - well done - a little more googling might have enabled you to have been less general. Lazy question. lazy thinking, lazy lazy lazy Hardy.
"See what I’m getting at?" Absolutely f---ing not; less drugs and alcohol - more critical thinking imho.
I'd love to discuss this with everyone of you, but something for you to think about:
"Terrorists are practicing Islam in its pure form."
How would the world look like if all Christians would be practicing Christianity in it's purest form?
Quick fact - Islam is a few hundred years younger than Christianity.
See what I'm getting at?
I do love conspiracy theories and what better or older ones than religions?
To believe that a paedophile warlord was visited countless times by an angel called Gabriel is not so far different from a certain person called Joseph Smith talking out of his hat!
Strange that Mo decided to use an Angel from an established religion. It certainly lends weight to the CT that Islam is derived from Catholicism. That Islam was invented by the Vatican. The religions are similar in a lot of ways.
Osman . 911 has every right to suggest that Islam should be deleted. He isnt saying that all muslims are bad or they should die, just expressing his view that your faith is dangerous as most non muslims believe. It's called free speech. I dont think Vlato has installed sharia within the posting rules yet.
Groggers. History is written by the victors. In this particular instance by the Muslims as having at the time in question cut a bloody swathe across Arabia forcing the vast amount of unwilling to adopt their latest variety of God. You speak of the crusades for instance and yes this is glorified by Christianity. Presumably you bring this into the discussion as an attempt to evidence east versus west / Christianity Vs Muslim historic atrocity. The Crusades were fought mainly against Muslims, although campaigns were also waged against pagan Slavs, Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Cathars, Hussites, Waldensians, Old Prussians, and political enemies of the (greedy)popes.
And all for a scrap of dusty land considered holy. All religions are a joke. Reminds me of one joke in any case - "Why cant hedgehogs just share?"
Happy New Year fanatics :)
Charles B,
I respect your passion for your religious faith in Christianity and I pray that for your good health in life. However, i respectfully disagree with your judgement of a religion, in this case Islam, through historical accounts told by others. I believe that for a religion to be truly understood, one has to study the religion's roots before exploring the religious texts and historical accounts. The Crusades were and are still revered by Christians as a fight for Christianity. Yet, to a non-believer who does not know and understand the roots of Christianity, it just looks like a massacre of innocent lives in the name of a greedy pope and king. This example has no malicious intentions, but trying to illustrate my point.
I am a Muslim. However, i refuse to judge any religion, especially Judaism and Christianity, based on historical accounts and word of mouth of others. I believe that they are made existent by God today for a reason, and being His humble servants, we are to respect and learn from His Creations. Personally, I feel that this documentary has made its point across clearly. But it was made with a single intention in mind and with questionable sources. Nevertheless, it is up to the viewers to discern fact from fiction - to use the principles taught by the individual's faith in order to sieve through hatred and lies.
Vlatko first of all I can belive that someone can say something like 911 "islam is dangerous..and needs to be wiped off the face of the planet!" (first from you like owner of this site), and that nobody say anything.
That is shame for all of man kind. It is the same propagande that hitler use over jewish people.
So I must say that I do not take seriosly people like Charles B. and 911 ho live in total fear of the outside world, locked in their little minds. I'm just hope that they will see full picture of this world one day.
For them, and they country(not all of course) there is difference between american child and afganistan child, that is so not humanly that I do not have words for that.
And yes I'm muslim :) buhuhuhuaaaa ...(I will like to say something on arab, like in holywood movies before bomb explode... but I do not know, daaamn)
(people sory on my bad english ;)
when faith evolves to fanaticism, and then fanaticism becomes extremism, now that's dangerous. you know, it really depends on the understanding of an individual when he/she uses his/her belief rather than his logical capacity to judge or to get things over with. so who's really the one to blame? GOD or US people? where knowledge is the key to solve problems and will (eventually) led us to our own doom or religion which creates faith but will brings us to nowhere. as human beings, we can choose sides but each sides has its own dark side. think about it.
@CharlesB
I also have to add that the mustard gas that Saddam was using on the Kurds was supplied to him by the good ol' USA. We gave him those weapons when he was battling Iran and we had sided with him and he just used it at his discretion. Yes he was wrong to use it on people but we were wrong to give it to him. Also as some people say that the Kurds were his people is wrong. They live in the Iraq area but they never considered him their leader and that is why they were at war with each other. One could call that a civil war? I think the US knows what killing our own people is about?
Peace to all.
Muhammad: His Life from the Earliest Sources by Martin Lings.
This Guy was a SCHOLAR. He was the Curator of Original Arabic Manuscripts at CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY, UK.
He has Extensively written about Islam. He later converted to Islam!
Its up2 every one of us to find the TRUTH. It is out there to be found! Dont listen to anyone. Find it out YOURSELF.
I found it, Alhamdulillah.
And Kudos to Vlatko, becuase he seems to be very fair & balanced. He has not only put these videos that try to denigrate Islam but also Scholarly Videos like Islam Empire of Faith, Legacy of a Prophet, Islam & Science as well.
Only fair and balanced people, people who see the WORLD with BOTH EYES can see the TRUTH!
Salaam.
I am a Muslim and i read these comments some of which I've been offended .Charles B,911 i didn't know where are you getting this information from but you are very very mistaken.You are afraid of the light so come out from your cave to live and see for your self what is Islam is all about.
i hope you all good al salam alikom
even though i am not a muslim but i have read koran with great interest as i have read bible
most of the statements they have said are true but THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE CONTEXT every where in quran where it talks about violence in a very next verse it says "but the peace is better".
read it to believe it
thats all i can say
and one more thing
Your theory on 'WMD hidden in Syria' is highly questionable and improbable. Do check your sources.
Charles B.
I am not a Muslim.
But I do like to learn more of Islam and travel in Middle East to experience the Muslim way of life.
Who wouldn't?
Of course, except for you, Charles B.
You'll be too scared.
“Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.” B. Russell
Salute!
Joe: The WMD were used against the kurds, and conscripted scientist said they actually had to work on them, so we know for sure he had them. I saw an interview with a Kurdish survivor who escaped a horrible terrible death by mustard gus thanks to Saddam, while those downwind of her died horrible deaths. The WMD have been moved to Syria and/or are just very well hidden. Let's hope that they are never used against your city or mine, but they are real.
Cherry picking the Koran? I hardly think so. If you want to know about the Bible, ask me. I have nothing to hide. If you want to know about the Koran, ask a former Muslim and terrorist (like the one in the video). He's risking his very life to say what he did. Why do you suppose that 90% of the bombings (or higher) are Muslims bombing something or someone, even in places where they are not at war? They choose to be at war; it's part of the religion.
Are you a Muslim? Just curious. I'd like to see you live under total Sharia Law for two years, and see if you still thought they were "cherry picking" scriptures from the Koran.
On the lighter side, it reminds me of that funny "Mars Invades" spoof movie where all the little aliens were saying: "Do not run! Do not be afraid. We are friends; we will not harm you!" while they were blasting eveyone with decentigration rays. Not even Jack Nickoles escaped! :-)
I too have met many muslims that I liked personally, and they seemed friendly enough, but I'm not hoodwinked into thinking all are like they, in fact, I'd say most are not in Muslim dominated countries. At the very least, they are terrible towards women and people of other faiths and not to be immulated or even defended in any way.
Interesting film. Muslims act according to their prophet example, consistent with their traditions and values.
A regligion of peace must have no objection to a film showing and telling what the have been about and are about now.
That's nothing to be surprised about, or ashamed of, or hidden from public scrutiny- unless of course you're ashamed of murder, subjugation, deception, Jew-genocide, and intolerance.
I think the conflict between the middle east and the west has more to do with US interventions, arms sales, drug sales, and oil then religion.
Salute!
Dear Charles B.
This doc promotes fear and hatred towards Islam by skewing and cherry picking verses from Koran. It encourages mob mentality to those who are impressionable and ignorant. Same thing happened with Bush and his imaginary WMD.
Hence, a propaganda.
I don't have PHD in Islam nor do I condone killing of innocents but this doc is just plain WRONG.
Prowinz and Joe: Have you considered that at least one of the main commentators WAS a suicide bomber, but threw his bomb on the roof of a building to prevent death of "Arab" children? Such a person ought to know what they are talking about. Why not listen to him? Why not heed what he has to say? He's litterally risking his very life and the life of his family to say the things he's saying. What are his motives? They are all very brave!
Which parts about the current documented genicide attempts in Africa and the bombings worldwide or the militant history of Islam are "propoganda"? I've known several Muslims that I liked very much (they even made me a little hat to wear when I visited thier restaurant--I tought English in the building housing the national Muslim affairs, etc), but I think this is probably a pretty accurate picture of thier history, and the religion's history as a whole. Please take it more seriously than what you have. I'm as passionate a Christian as you can get (and want to be moreso), and I wouldn't even dream of chopping of your head because you disagree with me . . . be ye all very glad I'm not a Muslim as I know myself; I'd go all the way! I'm so glad the One I follow is called (and rightfully so) the Prince of Peace. Not so with Islam.
So one sided-- Give me $10,000 and I'll make a just as shocking documentary about any religion out there. Most of the commentators in the documentary are known propagandists against Islam. Not recommended for one who really wants to understand the current situation regarding Islam and the West.
A pure propaganda.
First, google abrogation, jihad, and Ayat al-Sayf(the Verse of the Sword)in Koran. Then judge for yourself before making hasty and hateful conclusions.
Far as I can see is the doc is about one group of extreme fundamentalists pissing on next group of extreme fundamentalists. A complete rubbish.
Riviting! I watched every second very intensly. This was the most informative documentary I've watched on your sight so far, Vlatko. Absolutely eye-opening and a must see video. 10+ Thank you so much for finding and posting it.
it may be propaganda..but all those statements quoted from the quran are true and fundamentalists quote them often...islam is dangerous..and needs to be wiped off the face of the planet!
Islam is garbage for peasants to eat. All religion is silly and childish.
What a dumbass video! A propaganda masterclass!
I got shocked by it. A must see documentary.