Amy Winehouse: What Really Happened
Amy Winehouse is a singer and songwriter who is famous for her strong vocals as well as her blend of numerous musical styles such as soul, jazz and R&B.
Winehouse has gained huge publicity for her drug abuse along with psychological health problems. At a young age of 27, Amy Winehouse found dead on her apartment in London.
Receiver of 5 Grammies, Amy Winehouse is certainly among the most talented singers of this generation. However, at the very top of her booming career, did Amy’s way of living push her straight down a distressing path?
Jacques Peretti looks into Amy’s collection of broken hearts, from the divorce of her parents to her overwhelming dark love relationships which includes her intimate relationship with her husband Blake Civil-Fielder.
The film showcase interviews from close friends and beloved family. Jacques examines how Winehouse absorbs every emotional feelings she had lived through and carry that bitterness into her music.
Rest in peace Amy Winehouse.
Obviously lots of people have watched this doc without issue but I have no audio. I have no problem with any other video.
To Bad !! Did not find out what really Happened !!What did she die of ??? I did enjoy the video though well done !
she had such a beautiful unique voice !
so sad
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
She preferred space to this planet. Too much pleasure causes disintegration. She was the British niece of Barbara Streisand. This was a Greek tragedy, an authentic "reality show" of witnessing a brilliant light burn out before your very eyes. sad.
she was an untalented junkie who cares F--- her
Says the guy with the pot-leaf icon
King Heroin took her for himself.
she was an incredible singer ! as the way she was ... the ''square'' singers never get to the top ! why ? 'cause they're ''square'' ... she really felt every word she sing and u can notice in the voice and in her eyes ... and we don't care a s*it if u'r a musician of jazz or if u have friends that play in jazz groups ... who cares man ?¿?? we love her, and she was incredible ...
Look closely and she has almost the exact face as another great singer, Barbara Streisand.
yes she was.
You idiots...he was talking about her writing the essay....not the song.
Any one else notice the date this doc was made? We all know it has to be 2011 but below the title at the top of the description next to the subheading "Biography"; is the year 2007. Could this be a film from the past with a foreboding prophesy for the future, which is now but actually happened a few months ago?
It is always so very sad when young people who are only beginning their lives die regardless of the cause. Especially when it is some one who has touched many other lives. R.I.P. young lady. Perhaps where ever you are if there is a you in any cognoscente form or way, you no longer have the pain & demons to fight.
Just wanted to add: Perhaps she & her beau are just this generation's Sid & Nancy only with measurably more talent.
Ooops! Perhaps my previous statement was a wee bit premature. It seems this doc is a few years old but prophetic none the less.
I don't wanna sound like a douche, but she had it coming. Drugs are BAD mmk?
It was the drink that got her, not the drugs :(
Alcohol is BAD mmk? To a certain extent of course ^_^
R.I.P. Baby R.I.P., somewhere beautiful & tranquil & far removed from human chaos ... thanks for the music & song!
Now she's dead. Sad.
I have a similar issue.. I'm a drummer and a pianist, not really a singer. But i DO sing quite well as long as i'm belting. If i don't belt, i sound like a balloon losing air. And unfortunately i can only belt when i'm not nervous.
I'm not a fantastic singer for that reason. It's in my head.
after seeing this I am ashamd I laughed at amy winehouse joke on tv or radio.
sorry amy
I enjoyed Amy's documentary and thought it gave a balanced view of her life. It's easy for people to laugh and make assumptions when they don't know the back story. Amy was blessed with sheer, raw musical talent!!
what a waste of quality drugs...
i like the way you think.
what a waste of youth and talent.
to be fair, i only made it 7 minutes through this. the "documentarian" is more interested in making this personal to him than actually documenting. i can't believe he called HER "a lousy hack" at the start of her career. garbage.
to be fair, i only made it 7 minutes through this. the "documentarian" is more interested in making this personal to him than actually documenting. i can't believe he called HER "a lousy hack" at the start of her career. garbage.
This came to me when I found out that Amy died.
For Amy
Why do they laugh
when life is hard,
Instead of caring
from the start?
Like sharks
to bloody batch of chum,
They come, and come, and come, and come
Why do they only
seek to hurt,
When good support
is worth much more?
And now they've tortured her
to death,
Now, do they say
how good she was...
"Her generations
Gifted voice"
But when she lived
and needed help,
Have they Ever
given her a choice?
No, Never,
they have never
given her a choice!
(only condemned her
in one shrill unchanging voice...)
Enjoy.
she came, she annoyed... she died.. the end
Hmm taking liberties with a famous quote from Julius Ceasar (veni, vidi, vici) after he defeated Pharnaces to voice your dislike for Amy. Very clever. I guess one gets to do some thinking while having sex with barnyard animals lol
You came... you had nothing good or interesting to say... you completely recked a well known quote... you proved again that you are just another voice in the mindless rabble... the end
Next time, restrict yourself to the activity implied so aptly by your name above, and save the rest of us the headache of reading your rubbish bin ( or junkyard, whichever you like better) comments.
Enjoy It While It Lasts.
Robin Sweet The Blue Light.
she was actually very talented.
If you have any ear you have to admit that and if you can't, you have no ear.
Nowhere to run bud.
There are many talented musicians out there. Many of my jazz musicians friends do not agree with you nor do I. She had a irritating whiny and fabricated voice trying to mimic other artist. She sounds constipated when she sings. Worse jazz/blues I have ever heard in my life! If I sang like that I would shoot myself.
I think there were many greased palms in this marketing scheme.
You know if they package *hit people will buy it!
I doubt you are a good musician just from the stance you take here!
BTW, self praise is no praise there Ella!
At least she actually sang. Most so called artists today use autotune software. The only way to tell is to hear them live.
You're an a$&hole. She did not annoyed. She was a beautiful, gifted song writer & singer.
OMG people please shut the hell up. I'm trying to watch this documentary!!! SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
"....among the most talented singers of this generation."
I am now ashamed of my generation.
According to who? This doc?Hang in there don't loose hope just yet there is plenty of good fresh music around, you just haave to know where to look for it ... needless to say its nowhere to be found on TV
She wasnt THAT bad.....you survived the backstreet boys and Nsync....now we have justin beiber, you should wish death upon them.
lol she WAS talented. Whether you like her music or not is irrelevant. Objectively her technique and style was quite sophisticated. And whether you like HER or not has even less to do with it.
Get your head out of your ass. I'm not offended as a winehouse fan. I'm offended as a musician...
I think that it is disgraceful that people here on this forum are jumping on the chance to judge and patronize Amy, instead of trying to understand her. And see the strife in her life and her addictions and struggles as part and parcel of being very young, becoming known (famous) very early in her life and very quickly. Too quickly! In the blink of an eye she went from being a rebellious teen with a powerful voice and a lot of raw talent, who had a dream to be known (famous) and make people happy with her voice, to being a very known (famous) performer, writer and composer who was in the spotlight 24/7. Add to that her being the daughter of a divorced couple (a very emotionally traumatizing experience in it's own right), and her relationship with, and marriage to Fielder-Civil who was already addicted to both drink and drugs when she met and started dating him, and you get a person who is emotionally fragile and whose emotions sometimes get the better of her. And in addition to all this, she was introduced to drink and drugs at the most difficult and unstable time in her life. A time when she already had little control of her life due to her meteoric rise to fame and it's consequences.
Ask anyone who has been a while in the music history, and became very known (famous) at a very young age and very quickly, about what it's like, and how it feels and what it takes to deal with this. And you will hear the same answer: it puts your whole life on it's head, turns your whole world and your understanding thereof upside down. There's nothing elce like it! And no matter what you expect it to be like, when you dream of "being famous" it's never as much fun and never as dream-like as it seems. In fact, it's living hell, for those who go through it. And very few survive the "First Fame Syndrome" (as it was named by three brothers who know..) and are able to continue with with their career. Most, and I mean MOST, fall victim to being unable to cope with it all - the fame, the complete loss of control of them selves and over their own lives, the gruelling touring schedules, the hoards of screaming fans who follow them everywhere, the paparazzi, with their cameras and in your face attitude, snapping relentlessly, day and night, the judging that goes on, all the time, non-stop, all over the world . Both in their faces and behind their backs. And of course let us not make the mortal mistake of forgetting the "always oh so polite" press! Who jump at every chance to trash the hell out of known (famous) people for every minuscule mistake they make, as well as for every imagined one, that those who have nothing better to do with their lives than spread gossip, think they made. They put one foot wrong and the spark is put to the fuse. What follows is a media explosion of atomic proportions. This is particularly easy to do now, easier than it ever was before, with the speed of light media like the internet, smart phones ipads etc... which transmit these "mistakes" all over the world in the blink of an eye. Think of the pressures these unfortunate people are constantly under, constantly have to live with 24/7, 365 days a year. (It's the people who buy the magazines and go on line to see the latest gossip etc..those who are interested in these kinds of things, those who enjoy peering into other people's private lives, the progenitors of what is known as "celebrity culture" - who decide that it should be there in the first place. And by voting with their wallets or the click of their mouse make known (famous) people fodder for the paps and the rest of the rotten media) This amount of pressure inflicted on anyone of us lucky unknowns even for the shortest time will crush us to fine powder, if not worse. So is it really that surprising, that so many people in the "fame and glitter" industries end up where Amy did, become addicted to various substances, like she became, and die at as young an age as she died at ??? Those who do survive this long list of life changing pressures and abuses are the lucky ones, they are the ones who are strong enough to do so (and it takes A LOT OF STRENGTH, believe me, A LOT MORE in fact, than most 'unknown' people COULD EVER IMAGINE) AND who have powerful support systems in place wich help them cope with all the c**p they are forced to go through and deal with (and they deal with this c**p on the daily basis, every day of their lives).
If you want proof read a book called "Tales From The Brothers Gibb" theirs is just one example of the ravages of fame, but it is a very poignant one that exemplifies and points clearly to what I said above. Their Youngest Brother Andy is the best (and very tragic) example of this, though the story of the Three Older Brothers is just as good an example but, luckily for them, one with a good ending.
From most of the comments here, I am forced to come to the verdict that:
1. People have not the faintest idea what it's really like in the music industry and the world of glitter and fame.
2. That there are not as many compassionate and good people out there as I thought there are (and I always, always try to see the best and the good in people, seeing as I am a positive person by nature, as opposed to seeing the bad and the worst).
3. That many people here find it very easy, and perhaps even entertaining, to, in their comfortable homes, in their comfortable anonymity, seat in judgement of others. Thinking that passing judgement on and putting down others makes them look and/or sound smart and/or above every body elce.
4. That in the case of most of the comments here, the "constructive" in constructive commenting and discussion was lost along the road, that is in this case the thread of the "discussion".
Conclusion: Put your selves in Amy's shoes and try to walk a mile (she walked much further than that in her short life). Then maybe, and I mean MAYBE you would have the right to judge her. Addictions and all.
And always remember this: No one is perfect. We are all only human. Everybody makes bad decisions and mistakes at one or another point in their lives. No one is perfect.
@Lee Walker: "so she releases two albums. fairly decent but nothing earth shatteringly original. then does a whole load of drugs and dies... and people are uttering her name in the same breath as people like Janice Joplin and Jim Morrison or Kurt Cobain or Jimi Hendrix..? Just because she was 27 when she died? That's just ridiculous. if you keep slapping a bull in the face eventually you're gonna get the horns"
Mr. Walker: Let's see you bring out two albums which got as much acclaim as hers did and which exhibited as much talent, originality and individuality in today's veritable ocean of copy-paste, bland music. When you do, and please let me know if and when that happens, I'd really like to hear YOUR BEST. And then when you become as known and popular as she became, as fast as she did, we'll see how you cope, and how drug-free and sober you are when that happens, and for how long you manage to stay that way. And we'll all gloat when you start talking drugs and drinking heavily when it all becomes too much for you. Then, and only then will you have any right at all to pass judgement on her.
The fact that she only released two albums doesn't make her less talented than, or unworthy to have her name uttered in the same breath as people like Janice Joplin and Jim Morrison or Kurt Cobain or Jimi Hendrix. She is placed with them because she was talented, became famous very young and very quickly, was unable to cope with it all, had tried to cope through addiction (yes! it's a copping mechanism! even though usually not the best one.), became self destructive, and died as young as they were when they went. Just in case you didn't know. She belongs in that group full well and rightly.
Here's a question for you, I'm just curious, when was the last time you wrote anything and had gotten praised for it? This question was, not surprisingly, inspired by your "clever" remark that Amy's albums were and I quote: "fairly decent but nothing earth shatteringly original". So I ask you again, when did you last write something "fairly decent" and/or "earth shatteringly original" ?
Well I have, plenty of times, and got praised for it too. But praise is not the point here, the point is that in order to write something worthwhile, like a good song, which would inspire people, for instance, you have to have talent and a lot of patience and persistance. Hard work is the key.
I write songs, poems and am working on a book. So I know how much hard work is required even if you have talent, (I have been told that I have it) to create something truly original and worthwhile. Amy definitely had that, and worked hard to get to where she was.
"if you keep slapping a bull in the face eventually you're gonna get the horns": So in your same, learned, astute opinion that you have shown throughout your whole comment, she deserved what she got ?! She deserved to die as she did, when she did, and as young as she was? Is that right?!
Well, this part of your comment (as does pretty much the rest of it, I'd say ) just shows me that you are about as caring, compassionate and perceptive as a donkey''s back side.
I am not even going to get down to the level of and comment on the other "smart" comments here.
I will only say that reading them all made me really sad, and ashamed for those who wrote them.
RobinSweet.
@GreenBeee or RobinSweet (whichever you are going by). I first commented on this page by replying to C_and_N who was wondering why he or she was so preoccupied with Amy death. So I wrote a long but to me well thought out response in the hopes that maybe it would answer his/her question and possibly help out in some way. I mostly took unexplained grief from some people (I am a big boy and can take critisism but explain yourself a little instead of just telling me to shut up. rtiom took issue with what I said and personally critisized me but explained why so I was cool with his insults) for it. I did however start a conversation thread with a couple of people who luckily have a good sense of humour and while they all expressed their opinions (lol rarely agreeing with each other but thats half the fun on here) and didn't pull any punches I don't think their intentions were evil or mean just for the sake of being mean. I also wrote another long comment to and about the people who were not getting along so well (and Kathleen again told me to shut up, but she is easily ignored) and while only q_bit responded he and I was hoping anyone else who read it saw it for what it was ... Satire, maybe not funny satire but I did my best lol.
So basically what I am taking a very long time to say (which is normal for me) if you write long comments (yours was well thought out and nicely written with some excellent points) and show any compassion for people you are going to be verbally attacked by some people, so dont take it to heart. Be a man and just roll with it and remember it is just an internet page (a page that is within a fantastic web site), nothing more and with one click it goes away forever if you want.
Any fool can get a computer and internet access (I am living proof of such a fool doing so) but it doesn't mean they are smart or need to be listened to.
Hi Greg_Mc,
I go by both. As both reflect my ideas, admirations and aspirations.
First, thanks for your nice comment. I was not talking about your comments when I said that most comments on this particular forum are what I said they are. You and Achems Razor are some of the best commenters here. As for rtiom and others like him, my guess is that they just enjoy being confrontational and insulting every one around themselves. which, I must say, does not reflect on them in a good way. You are right they are easy to ignore. Perhaps if we all ignore them they would just go away, and let the rest of us have nice constructive discussions. Put the "constructive" back in the discussions, if you will. I hope. As for your comments being longwinded, I am all for it. ( I mean look at mine for length's sake!) I much prefer longer, but well though out comments like yours, to the short, insulting, and completely useless ones that I see plenty of here. Some of which should, in my opinion, have been removed or not allowed at all. I am sure you know which ones I am referring to.
P.S. "Be a man and just roll with it..." thanks for telling me to be a man, I do appreciate it, but it would be a bit difficult for me to achieve, as I was born a woman (lol). Just thought I'd enlighten you.
@GreenBeee:
Thank you, "thumbs up"
i was a young addict, and talented and all, how come you'all don't praise me???
her music sucks btw
Lex, let's see you create something that is completely unique and original, and become famous and have to struggle with the constant pressures it entales, and then maybe you can be praised and admired. That is, if you don't end up like she did, (or worse) first.
As for the other part of your, ahem, comment, you do not have to like her music, no one forces you, but that still doesn't mean that it sucks.
And the fact that you were an addict (if you really were), even a talented one, doesn't garner you any laurels. For that, you only have my pity.
Cheers, RobinSweet The Blue Light.
no offense but if you can't even see the objective merit in what she created than you're not talented.
I'm not a huge fan of amy winehouse. But the fact that she was technically very strong is not lost on me. Because i AM talented.
No offense.. most people your age (and you give away your age) think they're something special. You can play guitar? Well then clearly you're the next Jimmy Page. You wrote a poem this one time? You're clearly poet lauriat material. The reality is, you're probably mistaking what you do better than other things you do with being the BEST at what you do.
Enjoy your reality check. You're a pompous turd who seems sort of empty headed to me. If you were a little smarter, you'd be a phony. Good luck with that..
And robin said it even better than i did.. You, my friend, are what we like to call a self-proclaimed genius. Who else has ever given you half the credit you give yourself?
And you don't have to answer that. Your post already did.
Used to be that everyone in the family played some sort of instrument and entertained themselves. Commercialization and commodification does have its' price. Comming to terms with getting outrageous sums of money for something that pretty well anybody can do if they practice hard enough is enough to drive anybody to drink. Hockey players minstrals, actors, all over paid and over hyped. Yes hard to come to terms with all that wealth in fact the last ten years of Oprah had more to do with her coming to terms with her underseved wealth that she had more pop psychologists telling her it's all in how you percieve-you get back what you put out we create our own reality blah blah blah....playing an instrument or singing a song should bring one joy and hopefully others These "gifts" from "God" should not entail the privledges that today's artists who "make it" recieve. There would be much less useless tragedies than there are in the art world than we get today. Join your local Operatic Society is you want to sing and act. If it is the fame and life style you want...Pay your nickel and take your chances. No sympathy from me. I mean it ain't brain surgery is it?
RR
Rocky Racoon,
I partly agree with you. About all the hype and the problems it creates you are right and I agree. But you are wrong when you say: "Comming to terms with getting outrageous sums of money *for something that pretty well anybody can do if they practice hard enough* is enough to drive anybody to drink." I do not agree with you. Yes the money is outrageous, here you are right on the mark. BUT, not every body can sing and play instruments well, even with a lot of practice. There are people who have talent, a predisposition towards something, such as singing or composing and playing music, for instance. There are people also, who *are* born with "gifts". Here's an example: Grab any Bee Gees or Robin Gibb album, and pray, listen to Robin Gibb singing. No amount of practice can give you a voice like that! You have to be born with it, as he was. Same Goes for Maurice Gibb's composing and playing music, and Barry Gibb's song writing. It has to come from the soul, it won't come from practice.
Here's another example: Mozart. Do you think Mozart could have composed or played music like he did just from practicing day and night? The answer is NO! He could not! Ask anyone who creates anything, and they would tell you that practice has nothing to do with it. I can tell you, right here, right now, because I cerate - I write. Let me tell you, what I write comes form my soul, it has to, otherwise I could write nothing at all. Yes, you improve over the years, but that is because you grow and mature, as time goes on, and overtime your outlook on yourself and on the world changes, and so does what you cerate.
Tere are actually very few people in today's copy-paste bland world of music who have actual raw talent and who can create something that really really stands out from the rabble. And for the ones who do have talent it's very hard to start out in the industry which will only sign and promote you if you look like a model, and your talents (if you have any) be dammed. Today's music industry is flying on auto pilot. You have the looks, or "image" (to use their very own lingo) but can't sing a note for your life and play as about well as a drunk with his left leg? no problem, we'll use autotune and you're sound like a quire of angels durring the sunday mass. But, and this is a big but, if you can sing and compose your own songs, music and lyrics, BUT look like joe average or are a bit rounded 'round the middle or perhaps have less hair than Justin Bieber, have a birth mark on your nose, are too short, too tall or too anything? Get out! and don't forget to close the door, firmly, behind you, AC is on! Well, the fact that you have actual talent, and are writing and composing with your soul instead of with your wallet, all that goes out the window, it doesn't matter at all. Because it has absolutely no bearing on whether or not you will be signed and/or have a career in music.
Amy was one of the few truly talented, unique people who broke through this "deff" sealing and gained successes. But, like many before her and many yet to come, could not deal with the pressures that her career and fame entailed. So please do not be too quick to judge her, and other pople in her position, until you, yourself have experienced the constant day of the bright lights of the stage and of the incessant camera flashes right in your face, and the pressures of fame and what they can do to you in a very short time. Instead pray, try and understand what they are going through and how hard it actually is to be going through it.
I do not mean to sound sarcastic, but you are obviously not a creative person, because if you were you would know exactly what I am talking about. And I wouldn't need to be explaining it to you. Creativity comes from that place deep inside you. Usually it's either - you can create or you can not. Amy could, she had that "gift" which you are so quick to dismiss. But practice has nothing to do with it at all.
Hope that now you understand a bit better, sorry if my explanation is a bit longwinded.
Ceers, RobinSweet The Blue LIght.
what is an Oprah?
Robon Sweet, I wish I had some of the bootlegs from my garage band days.....your speculation on my creativity would quickly be turned around. Not only that, to come where I have come from and to have not only survived by excelled takes a great deal of creativity and talent. I have climbed many a mountain in the past 56 years. And I still ain't going to rehab baby no, no, no.....
RR
Rocky,
Well, if that was as you say, than how come you said what you said? If you were truly creative, then you'd know where that comes from. You may have been in a band, I believe you when you say that you were, but for a reason known only to yourself, and your band mates, you obviously decided not to continue... I do not and will not give up on my writing and am persevering in it every day. Because I love doing it, and it's what I am best at. (I wander, what your bootlegs were like, would have been an interesting listen, I bet.)
And since you were in one (band), you should have known what I wrote in my first comment to be true. I do not ask for it, when I write, it just comes to me, sometimes almost like dictation, if you will.
It's great that you climbed those mountains, and excelled, perhaps you do have lots of creativity and talent for such things, that sounds reasonable. (Where did you come from? If you don't mind me asking? You just picked my curiosity, by your last comment, that's all)
But the fact that you have, and had persevered at it, too, still doesn't give you the right to pass judgement on others, who come out of their struggles not as well as you did.
I, rather sympathise, with Amy and her family and avoid at all costs being judgemental, because in my time I was judged by others and so know all too well how painful it is and what it can do to the one being so judged. I pity her, and wish she had the strength to conquer her demons, and come out of the strife in her life stronger - for having been through it - and with her head held high. But, that, alas, will never happen now.
Best Regards,
RobinSweet The Blue Light
very well said....i'll miss her beautiful voice and honesty...
@ Greg,
I can't believe that you are actually putting so much effort into righting lengthy comments about this ******** documentary. We are talking about Amy Winehouse here. I knew who she was for a while and only heard one of her songs. Like who gives a rats ass about this. You need get a life buddy.
I have a full and interesting life rtiom but I do appreciate your concern about me. I write a lot because it is physically impossible for me to give a short reply or statement to anything simply because I really dont think I know how to wrap up and end a thought lol so I just keep going. I do/did actually think Amy had a great singing voice but am I a big fan? Nope, in fact I couldnt even get through more than 10 minutes of the doc. And writing what to you seems like a lot isn't much of an effort and takes little of my time.
There was that short enough for you? Now back to my life even if you think I dont have one lol
Wow - rtiom. You REALLY need to learn english. Righting? I don't think so! Lol
Now now Harold no picking on rtiom for poor spelling or missing words that help a sentence make sense like "You need get a life buddy." He was to busy being angry with me and saying that while he only knew one song of hers and knew who she was for a while nobody should give a rats ass about her and agree blindly with his views that she was a nobody ( "We are talking about Amy Whinehouse here" It isnt like she had any fans or talent)) . Those who listened to her for years (maybe even to more than one song) and liked her music, despite her personal problems which were sad and didnt help to make her overly likeable, opinions dont count when he asks who gives a rats ass about her.
Nothing personal rtiom this is just another of my pointless rants where I like to hear myself talk or in this case read myself right
It's better than putting efforts into wronging lengthy comments about this f***ing documentary(I assume *********** translates roughly to "f***ing")
amy is dead! who the f is amy??? is she a new einstein or sth? i never heard of her before
She was a famous award winning singer who got special attention when she was alive so it is not surprising she is getting all this special attention now that she has died, especially taking into consideration the circumstances surrounding her death. Hell we are all adding to it in our own way by posting all these comments. You can bet the government loves (I would say helps control but then I would be classified as one of those conspiracy nutcases when I have already been labeled a self endulgent essay writing nutcase on this page lol) that this and every other celebrity that screws up is what ends up on the front page of the newspaper or on the news and is what we spend far to much of our time talking about instead of real issues that actually effect us like the economy, all the fighting going on all over the world, Governments all over the world (The most powerful and destructive one doesn't even need to be named we know who they are) doing as they please causing us the general public life altering problems be it financial or whatever.
OMG greg, shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You already said this Kathleen, do you have a stuttering problem. I replied below (and just for you I will be extra long winded in my future comments since you seem to like it so much lol) and can't be bothered to give anymore of my time to you.
i agree with you, however- she is only famous to those who watch that award crap and stuff, i choose to ignore all that, thank god for the internet, no more aggressive comercials, and no more spoon feding of what is 'good' and what is not... mrs a. wineheads is dead
when your talent or inspiration originates from your pain,you live it long and fast.....lengends often pay with their lives,fuelled by drugs you cannot expect to last.thanx for the legacy of good music
she was a talented skank. no better than anyone else with the same afflictions, and deserves no special attention.
When a "star" has a drug "problem" she's so sweet, but when "ordinary" folks do, WE are all "criminals" rather than heroic. PUKE, PUKE. .......Oh, she died? You get what you deserve. KARMA
If you're going to bring in the idea of karma in to this, then you might like to know that according to the laws of karma, you can expect to be reborn as those you condemn. Have fun in your next life as a junkie.
Don't mean to start up qith q_bit again, but according to the theory of Karma, everything Amy suffered from in this life, she deserved because of a past life.
I'm glad I don't beieve in that crap.
I wouldn't even begin to try talking about karma if I were you avd420. You're so far off the mark it's not funny. Have fun in *your* next life as a junkie, too. That is, if you don't manage to get a clue first.
q_bit, I was a junkie in this life :)
And there is no such thing as a next life.
And maybe you'll be a junkie in your next one too. Not for me to say though. But then I don't know if reincarnation exists or not - I haven't died yet. And neither have you, so how can you claim to know?
q_bit
You're rediculous. I'm done with ya. I take drugs to let loose and go crazy. You're crazy without them. You've dragged me low enough and I refuse to go any lower.
Bye
really? so when little babies burn up in fires or innocents are raped and murdered.. its karma huh>?
lemee explain something to you. Only one person in eight who uses hard drugs will become addicted. And that addiction can vary greatly in severity. So maybe we shouldn't be be heaping even more scorn on an already maligned and disadvantaged group, I think.
And there is no evidence (so no reason to believe) that 'karma' is real
Like most Rock/Pop stars, their death is unfortunate but when people abuse drugs I have no sympathy
she should have put rat poison in those cups of tea for the photographers.
She had such a pretty voice. I wonder why I'm so preoccupied with her death? It just seem a very sad way to go.
Yes she had a pretty voice, people are arguing over is she better than so and so? Was she the best female Jazz/blues/whatever singer ever? For the most part who is the best is really to me anyway (I know nothing technical about music, never had a lesson, never studied it in anyway. I just know what I like and what I don't and on occasion I have an enlightened moment where I am able to articulate briefly why I like something) a personal opinion, it is not like sports where you can compare the stats of one player against another and see who has the best numbers and say "see this person was better", I listen to music and some I like and some I dont and sometimes i hear something that really touches me or hear someone sing and think my god that is amazing.
Why are you so preoccupied with her death C_and_N? I can give my opinion as to why you may be and please just take it as that, my opinion as I do not know you but I have had similar feelings when people i don't know die. You must have been a fan of hers to some degree seeing as you said she had such a pretty voice, possibly you felt moved by some of her songs or they connected with you in some way and while you didnt know her personally because of the connection you felt to some songs she in a way was a part of your life as her songs may have had a certain meaning to you and when you hear them now they remind you of a particular situation that may have meaning to you or a particular person who meant or means something to you . I am sure like the rest of us you saw her go from this (in my opinion) kind of pretty young girl with this singing voice that just didnt match her looks, to someone who's personal life started going downhill because of maybe some mental health issues and the start of some alcohol and drug problems. Thanks to the ever so polite English media she was hounded and we saw her become a full blown addict in front of our very own eyes. This had to make you a bit sad for her because any decent human cannot watch a person fall apart like that and not be affected by it. I think we all knew it was just a matter of time before she had an overdose and died but even though we thought that was going to happen actually hearing that it did happen still came as a bit of a shock because you always hoped she would get her life back in order. So in my very long winded way what I am trying to say is that Amy through her music (and maybe how it spoke to you) and the constant media attention she got, had without you making the conscious effort for it to do so, in a small way made her a part of your life and her passing (possibly because of some of the things I said, but maybe not I am as I said just giving my opinion and hoping it helps you in some way) has left a small emotional void in you and you feel that loss. Plus the constant media exposure of it keeps it jammed in your face and mind. I hope this makes some sort of sense as I tend to ramble on which can make people lose interest and just stop reading what I write very quickly lol.
OMG greg - shut up
And remember people, alcohol is a drug. One of the hardest of drugs. So if you drink alcohol, then you're a drug user too.
Captain Obvious to the rescue!
Educating man on all things already known by all! Destroying your chance to learn anything new!
thanks avid420! I'm glad we've got someone here who already knows and understands everything! Remember to use your powers for good, by helping those of us who either don't know everything you know, or perhaps just have a skewed or biased perspective on a subject. And what new thing did you offer up for our learning pleasure? avid about 420 and somehow think you know it all - that's it? really? with all that you know that's all you could share? well thanks then, g'bye
I am confused, which in and of itself is not news worthy, shocking or even worth mentioning for that matter but this time I think there may be a reason why I am confused. avd420 seems to be angry and intolerant with and of some people. I have tried to read some old posts to figure out where all the fighting started because i wanted to be able to pick a side because I am feeling left out lol. Seems to me 420 thinks anyone who engages in self-destructive behaviour deserves to die. Himself included. Which seems a little harsh and unforgiving to me but hey maybe I am just a big pussy.
q_bit seems to contradict himself over and over again (according to 420) which is causing 420 a great deal of distress and making him question either q_bits age or maturity level.
Whowhatwhere is showing signs of not liking 420's comments or replies to him implying that 420 thinks he is a know it all that isn't really isn't sharing enough with the class considering how smart he thinks he is (I am paraphrasing whowhatwhere on this). I must say I did like whowhatwhere's use of sarcasm, it could have been meaner but it was well timed.
According to q_bit robertallen's musical taste is all in his mouth. Not being a big fan of Jazz I do not know who the woman robert is talking about so I cant take a side in this one.
So as I said at the start of this I am feeling left out as nobody is picking on me. It isn't a hard thing to do seeing as I tend to use a lot of the same words over and over, I ramble on endlessly using a bunch of words but never really saying anything. I generally don't come on here to argue with people I much prefer nicer conversation and learning things from other people but you guys just seem to be having so much fun b****ing at each other lol
@Greg_Mc Yeah yeah, keep talking, we know you love to. You think anybody cares about your self-indulgent essay here? Maybe you should put a beat to it and release it as a single.
Ok your turn ;-)
@q_bit Listen Captain obvious (that is so far from original lol but I had to laugh when 420 called you that cause for some reason I found it very funny) lol, I already said i don't know anything about Music so pick up your cello and turn my self indulgent essay into a hit rap. We can get Tokyo Police or Tokyo restroom or whatever they are called (made in Tokyo?) to sing it. We can call it "Livin in a self indulgent whiner's Paradise" It will be a huge hit, we can argue all the way to the bank to cash in our $1.50 pay cheque
@Greg_Mc
When I say that anyone who indulges in self-destructive behaviour deserves to die I don't mean they SHOULD die, in fact I'd prefer if they didn't die.
I'm just saying no matter how great of a person you are in life, if you shoot herion and die from an overdose, you deserved it. If you speed without a seatbelt while texting on the highway, and crash and die, you were warned and you deserved it. If that person was a pedophile or a great member of society who volunteers time at a homeless shelter everday, they still deserved it. Actions have consequences and the world won't watch out for you just because you think you're a good person. Karma, in th literal sense, doesn't exist.
@Greg_Mc
Hey I thought we were going to have an argument - you said you wanted one. You need to attack me better than that. Your post doesn't really give me much to use.
@q_bit Yeah I know sorry, I find it difficult to argue with people if they havent pissed me off (guess I started or tried to start something I couldnt finish), lol give it time I am sure one will come about naturally lol. Look at Kathleen up above first time she has ever spoken to me and she tells me to shut up. now there is a girl who doesnt need a good reason to start in on somebody lol.
I understand you now 420 your point is well taken (I obviously didn't get what you were saying the first time around) and well said
@whowhatwhwere
Captain Obvious was a reference to q_bit.
Please hang your head in shame now son.
You know, I wish it were obvious to all people, but it isn't. It's very common to hear or read people saying, or implying, that alcohol isn't a drug.
@whowhatwhere
So what is it you are asking me to do? Share everything I know about life and the world with you? Or just a few things? Well, I would be happy to do that, but perhaps a comment section on an Amy Winehouse video isn't the most appropriate place for that? Wouldn't you agree? If you wouldn't well then I think you may be a little messed up when it comes to social standards, if you would, well then I guess it's easy for us to see your question was just a very poor attempt to insult me. Just FYI, it didn't work.
Oh the 420 thing, wow, how observant of you. But what you failed to observe was that this name is from my email address which I created 10 years ago and which is automatically made my display name because of disqis.
So, do you have a relevant comment you would like to make? Or even an insult which isn't laughable and doesn't make you look like a 10 year old? By all means, go ahead ma'am.
CORRECTAMOONDO"
A death is always sad. A death of an artist is sad. The death of a talented artist is sad but the sadness is more external and is shared by millions globally. whether she did drugs or not is irrelevant. She was a troubled girl who didnt want the attention of the press. she wrote great songs... i wasnt a fan but she definitely will be missed.
Millions of records sold, all possible music awards received...... All this means nothing to some self-proclamed musical intenditors who know very well what is real good music. ( that's why they're loosing time on this forum instead of showing something to the world thad could be judged ) Some like Amy's music and some don't. Thats all. Drug problems has nothing to do with it. For me she was much better than Kurt or Jim. That's my personal opinion. No problem for me if sombody thinks differently.
Just for the drug non-using judges below: Have you ever exceeded the speed limits on the road? Maybe answered your mobile? Or just lighting aa ciigarrette while driving? Well, you've put someones life in danger, not your own only.
Very sad. This woman had true talent. I especially feel for her family.
so she releases two albums. fairly decent but nothing earth shatteringly original. then does a whole load of drugs and dies... and people are uttering her name in the same breath as people like Janice Joplin and Jim Morrison or Kurt Cobain or Jimi Hendrix..? Just because she was 27 when she died? That's just ridiculous.
her death was sad and a tragedy for her family and all that but in the final analysis not altogether surprising. if you keep slapping a bull in the face eventually you're gonna get the horns.
Well of course some sections of the media have blown this out of proportion, but then they are the kind that will blow anything out of proportion to get an audience. But what is far more distateful is the hordes that have reacted to this with glee, and have revelled in their contempt for the singer, as a way of feeling superior and justifying their own drab, wretched lives.
Nicely put q_bit
Earlier this year, a fine singer named Margaret Whiting passed away. I never saw anything on the front page about this--and she contributed something. Now some ignorant piece of no-talent, druggie garbage bites the much-deserved dust and the media is all aglow. This epitomizes everything that is wrong with this country and its people.
Oh please. When an 86-year-old who hasn't had a hit in half a century dies it's not big news. Of course not, because that's the kind of thing that 86-year-olds do. And for the record, Amy Winehouse's voice absolutely shat all over Margaret Whiting's generic 40's/50's voice. And MW had her songs written for her, while as AW wrote or at least co-wrote most of her stuff.
The fact that you believe that a drug addict deserves to die says all too much about you. Yes, she engaged in extremely self-destructive behaviour, so death was obviously something she could expect, but that is different from saying she deserved it. Was she a mass murderer? Did she profit from the death and misery of others? No. She ruined her own life, not those of others. So why the anger and judgement toward her?
You've been so dumbed down by the garbage on which you were raised that anything of artistic merit is beyond you. How dare you compare Margaret Whiting's singing to the ululations of this no-talent, drug-soaked twit who, I admit, was louder! You obviously know nothing about music (can you even read it?), much less about taste and class!
By the way, what's the matter with a "generic 40's/50/s voice" (and I'm not saying that this is a correct characterization of Ms. Whiting)? At least its listenable and the songs display some intelligence.
As I stated before, you and others like you characterize everything that's wrong with this country and its people.
I would say she deserved it. It's like saying you don't deserve to lose money for gambling just because you're a good person, which you don't even know that she was or wasn't.
Anyone who engages in self-destructive behaviour deserves to die. Myself included.
@robertallen1 Ah what a bunch of idiotic assumptions.
Well I was raised playing Bach on my cello, so obviously I've got no idea about music. Never mind the childhood of being raised by a music teacher and ethnomusicology academic, or the fact that I've been paid for writing and producing music, and now am writing my own music software.
I'm not saying that AW's music was the greatest or anything, but she certainly had a unusually solid feel for singing in a certain style. Yes, she took loads of drugs, but that didn't stop her from being a vastly better singer than MW.
And I characterise everything that is wrong with this country? Well I think you characterise so much that is wrong with the US, where you clearly are from, because no-one from any other country makes statements like that, so easily forgetting that other countries exist.
No, I'm not an American. Phale.
avd420 Well you *are* being self destructive. Your judgementalism is destroying your soul.
@q-bit
Way to contradict yourself in a single sentence. That one deserves a hit of Amy's finest crack.
@avd420 I'm not judging you. I'm commenting on your actions and attitudes. But it's not for me to say what you do or don't deserve. I just hope you recover from that judgmentalism of yours.
q-bit, yes you are and you just did it again! Are you a child perhaps? Please tell me you're not an adult?
No. You don't get it. You don't understand the difference between what people do, and what people are.
Consider what you said. An artist you liked died and the media didn't go ape-crap for it, but Amy did and you're mad she got more attention? Is that really our counties problem, or yours?
It's definitely our country's problem.
"Liked" has nothing to do with it; respectability does. Class and intelligent popular culture are now relics of the past.
staucenu You have a major problem. If she is so insignificant , why bother spewing such negativity. RIP Ms. Amy
where to even start with staucenu? First off we are responding to his comment which is just giving him the attention he wants and is so clearly lacking in real life. What's the matter stauc did mommy not give you enough attention when you were a baby? Or did she drop you one to many times on your head? How can what he said be commented on? What kind of mind could even think up what you said let alone deem it is ok to type it in here?
Just as an aside how come we can't type the word sh*t in here without having to have it okayed by the admin but stauc types in the word cunt (a word that I am sure more people find offensive than sh*t) and it isn't censored?
Personally I thought Amy Winehouse was a fantastic singer, the kind of talent that doesn't come about very often. She had deamons that is very obvious and as someone already pointed out somewhere on here the people in her life that should have said enough is enough and forced her to get help didn't and just kept sending her out touring and working so they could make money off of her. Sadly the music/show biz industries are controlled by these cold hearted cut throat types of people who do not care about anything but money and lack even the most basic human decency or compassion.
summa summary :it is a bit cynic unfair documentary.
she was a loser.
She was such a cutie in her early years, I wish she would have stayed that way.
as i saw the bustard with all his devilish sensation it is him who influenced that silly girl
Trust me, peer prexsure doesn't work with hard drugs, she wanted it.
The docs were very interesting.
“If you don't think drugs have done good things for us, then take all of your records, tapes and CDs and burn them. Cause you know what? The musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Real fu**ing high on drugs. The Beatles were so fu**in' high they let Ringo sing a few songs." Bill Hicks
She did a shitload of drugs and died. No different than the thousands who meet the same fate daily.
Up there with Lauryn Hill and, dare I say Alanis Morissette, as far as creators of timeless universally liked albums that one can listen from head to toe. To me, the most talented musician of the 2000s.
The most talented relevant to who ? Seriously !! widen your horizons, Winehouse herself said " I can;t believe anybody listens to this sh*t"
I wouldn't say that by a wide margin. But she was probably one of the more talented musicians that YOU'VE ever heard of. I'll grant you that.
Jaques Peretti - the same schmuck who did the grossly untruthful, inaccurate hit piece on Michael Jackson and his life and death? Oh boy. I'll pass on this one. Better resources for information and truth about Amy's life can certainly be found elsewhere. Peretti has zero credibility or integrity.
Amy Winehouse was shamefully let down by her management and others who had an interest in profiting from her amazing talent. She is sadly missed. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Love you Amy.
to begin with talent she'd had to have...making a bunch of commercial crap isn't being an artist...unlike talent, crack, heroin and god only knows what nasty infection in her those, she surely had! amy will be regretted by weak people and thats it, end of story...
Mihai your a jacka** of utmost proportions. May you burn in Hell you stupid Eastern European a--hole!
@loudj Hey, Mihai may be a no-life prick, but don't be racist.
A true icon of our times.
How do ya figure?
I was thinking of the wasted and meaningless life--the hopelessness; the futility of just "living" and getting by (barely) and then a tragic terrible end. The drugs, the tatoos, the dispairing look in her eyes. A story happening daily in a city near you! It's a sign of our times.
But she really did have such a soulful voice--rich like dark chocolate.
Uhhhhh, I don't think that the early 60s song "To Know Him is ti Love Him" was written by Ame Winehouse when she was 12, in 1995....did they even have a continuity guy on their crew, If this guy was too dumb to know it, at the last stop, and editor should have said..."Uhhhhh I don't think that the early 60s song "To Know Him is ti Love Him" was written by her".
"To Know Him Is to Love Him" is a song written by Phil Spector, inspired by words on his father's tombstone. (wikipedia)
He was talking about the essay....not the song
honestly, who gives a damn, why worship tragedy
Tragedy reflects a part of life, to affirm life sometimes you have to affirm tragedy. I could go all "buddhist" on you, but I guess you know what I mean.
lol i love buddhism :) and i understand what you're saying. its hard to see her life through all her struggles. perhaps her life was just struggles which she could not overcome. so she chose to do drugs. its just sad really. so why worship or be sad about someone who epically failed at overcoming her life challenges. there's nothing worth looking up to there. her music wasn't good. there have been great artists who have passed and barely got any recognition. anyway, everyone suffers. she shouldn't get any more recognition than any other person who passes away in the same conditions.
Well, she was a public figure which means her tragedy will get more attention. I wouldn't call it worship. It's just something a lot of people can relate to in one way or another. It honors the people they lost to the poison.
Since the earliest civilizations we have had a long term love hate relationship with poison. Think of Cleopatra, Socrates, Shakespeare... I like a little poison now and then myself too.
Sometimes the poison wins and it's good to be reminded of that.
Did anybody demanded investigation of her death? It is also possible that she went thru mind control as a child - monarch. And there are not signs that she signed herself to Satan as many famous musicians did. - But she had very suspicious death, numerology says more.
a beautiful soul she is. a talented lady. More compassion for her please !
she was a beautiful and talented soul, more compassion please!